The New Staff

[thewormoftheworld'send]

Findail is forever a part of the Staff. Period. It's like trying to extract the sugar (or flour) out of a cake, after it's been fully baked & pulled out of the oven. In other posts, I've said that the Last Chrons are "complicated" enough, so I just don't see how Findail can "show his face" again.

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SRD certainly has no intention of destroying the new staff, it is powerfully destructive in LA's incompetent hands. What she needs to do is find Joan and put a stop to the Caesures. And besides, TC said "find me," he didn't say "bring me back from the dead."

[Edited to give a better title - "moved from second chronicles forum" is a bit boring. Mod]

[Ur Dead]

But he also didn't tell her not to.

(Besides.. it will be good to read about good ole leper breath)

[thewormoftheworld'send]

But he also didn't tell her not to.

(Besides.. it will be good to read about good ole leper breath)

LA has both awakened the Worm and effectively destroyed the Arch in a single act. LF is no doubt laughing with joy and malice, because LA is indeed "well Chosen." The Creator did not make an appearance at the beginning of the LC, so he did not even bother to waste time on her and is apparently getting ready to do battle with LF. LA has made her choice: her son is more important to her than the Land. But she will be shocked to learn that Jeremiah long ago chose the Land, and Croyel, over her, and that he is no victim but, in his naive, innocent way, one of the villains. LA should have tried to put a stop to the Caesures by putting a stop to Joan, undoing the mistake she made by putting the wedding ring back on her finger. She used her one shot at the Power of Command to uncover a truth which should have been obvious to her anyway, rather than focusing on Joan. But LA is too blinded by her immediate feelings and immediate needs to think about others or the Land's problems. She is obviously dying in the 'real' world so she'll will never really recover her son, and something similar to the gunshot wound is fated to happen to her in the Land because it always does.

The fate of the Land was sealed with the breaking of that first Law by Elena. Now it is up to LA to finish the task, and for that she is indeed well Chosen.

[Ur Dead]

The Creator did not make an appearance at the beginning of the LC, so he did not even bother to waste time on her and is apparently getting ready to do battle with LF.

If you recall TPTP ending, where the Creator and Covenant have a "talk"
The Creator said he took a big chance in contacting TC. He didn't contact Covenant directly in the Second Chronicles for the same reason. We don't really know whom he contacted or if he hasn't. That has never been told. (but she was given a hint by Jeremiah)

But she will be shocked to learn that Jeremiah long ago chose the Land, and Croyel, over her, and that he is no victim but, in his naive, innocent way, one of the villains.

There is no indication that Jeremiah has chosen anything. He may be the pawn with an ability within the Land. He is controlled by a croyel (Whom Foul has set in place - [debates on croyels really havn't been discussed here -abilities, what they really can do]) He looked the same to Linden when she revealed the truth, in the Land and in her real world. So we do not have a the answer on Jeremiah choice.

LA should have tried to put a stop to the Ceasures by putting a stop to Joan, undoing the mistake she made by putting the wedding ring back on her finger.

Putting the ring on Joan was successful therapy. It reduced the amount of damage Joan did to herself, as well as the amount of hysteria Joan displayed. Even Donnelson said he would have made that mistake 12 out of 10 times. (From the Donnelson's GI)
Trying to stop Joan would be paramount undertaking. The most likely place she is at, is in the Sandgrave. So is the Lurker, whom may be the one watching over Joan so Linden can't approach her. At the end of FR, Linden doesn't have the power that a envenon TC had when he faced the Lurker. It was near the end of RoTE that Linden had proof that Joan was behind the ceasures creations. There really wasn't enough time to enlist the needed help to fight the Lurker. If she would have tried to convince the masters to stop Joan, she would have been distracted because of Roger and a Croyel controlling Jeremiah showed up and wisked her away. If they didn't show up, and she convince the masters of the noble task, then she would have never learned the seven words, the staff would have not be completed and never transformed by the earthblood. The Lurker would have overwhelmed her. She is still not powerful enough or have the lore to handle the Lurker. Add in Kevin's Dirt and Esmer, then you can see the obstacles she faces.

She used her one shot at the Power of Command to uncover a truth which should have been obvious to her anyway, rather than focusing on Joan. But LA is too blinded by her immediate feelings and immediate needs to think about others or the Land's problems.

She's a doctor, she is used to dealing with facts (truths). So she used the one power that allowed her to see the truths. {It's also debateable that she may have an ability to see certain truths which her Power of Command has given her. It still may be active - but that a debateable issue} She saw Jeremiah and the Mahdoubt confirm that Foul has control of her son. That is her needs and her feeling for her son is solid. She has a faint hope of saving him. She doesn't like Foul, (she will not forgive for what he has done to her son)
As for others.. have you read "Tales Among Friends"? She deeply cares about her friends. Plus her lashingout at the Harrow because of the costs shows she deeply cares.
As for the Lands problems, well, if she didn't care, she would have nevered healed it from the Sunbane. She has got a whole lot of her life and experience tied into the Land.

She knows she dead in her world, she trying her darnest to make the Land a place where she can grow old in.

She really hasn't been in the Land that long. She has done a number of remarkable feats in a very short amount of time.
Raising TC back from the dead was to abolish the constraint placed on him. The dead weren't allowed to speak to her. So she took took the dead away from the constraint. She needed TC. He is the only one who she will defer to. (or so we shall see in the next two books)

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I'm not saying that LA doesn't care. She cares too much, and it makes her short-sighted. And Kevin's Dirt makes it worse. I agree that as a doctor LA only intends to confront those needs immediately apparent. I never read any evidence that she intended to put any great fore-thought into any of her actions. She has power and she intends to use it. However, the past six novels demonstrated the hazards of such an approach to problems. And in the end of those six, TC chose not to use any active power at all; like Ghandi, he successfully chose passive resistance. It would hamper LF's plans greatly if she would have simply sat in Mithil Stonedown and done nothing, as even he makes obvious at the beginning of ROTE. But it doesn't matter what he says to her. If this were a game of chess and he told LA that moving her queen to that spot would cause her to lose in 20 moves, she would still move it.

[Vraith]

I agree, Worm, Linden has been in ER/Triage mode the whole time when she should be prepping her team for a brain transplant.
I'm starting to think, though, that your namesake, although horrifying, is no longer enough to destroy the world on its own. Haven't completely thought this through yet but:
Before it needed to sleep off its over-indulgence, if I recall correctly, there weren't any beings suited to deal with it. (They had power, were power, but precious little experience/knowledge: Lore)
Now, there are inordinate numbers of those with lore/knowledge/talents/forces that simply didn't exist. A combination of these MIGHT be able to, if not defeat, at least put the beast back to sleep.
After all, the beast is in no way intelligent...it is simply a beast, (a super-size skurj in a way) and we have seen a number of instances in the chronicles that show sheer power can be overcome.
Now the beings with the knowledge need to overcome their oppositions to each other.
It just seems unlikely to me, even if the world does end, that raw unthinking power will be the means.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

The Worm will not have to destroy the Earth, the Worm is the Earth. And it is so huge that, the instant it moves, that's the end.

[Vraith]

Hee hee..then they'll stop it from moving. {The babies eyes are open, give it a pacifier quick enough and, if you're lucky it goes back to sleep}
Or just get the world off its back
I just don't picture the mere movement of unthinking force as a likely (or satisfying) end.
And I suspect you don't either.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

I have already given my theory about the events in TLD. Remember that in LA's second translation to the Land she 'saw' the Worm raise its vast head to look at her. I believe this is prophetic. She 'saw' the skurj, who are like the Worm's children, devouring Andelain. I believe this too to be prophetic. They are glimpses at things to come in the Last Chrons.

My theory is that the Creator will find a "back door" into the Land and undo all the damage wrought by LA's ham-handed inability to deal with things herself. It will be a way around the Arch which will preserve the Arch, like a hacker finding a backdoor into your computer.

[rdhopeca]

My theory is that the Creator will find a "back door" into the Land and undo all the damage wrought by LA's ham-handed inability to deal with things herself.

This implies that either a) the Creator chose poorly when he chose Linden, or b) that Foul chose Linden, not the Creator. I don't think either are correct. I tend to believe that the Creator chose wisely, and while damage is done, as it was with TC, LA will redeem herself.

[thewormoftheworld'send]

My theory is that the Creator will find a "back door" into the Land and undo all the damage wrought by LA's ham-handed inability to deal with things herself.

This implies that either a) the Creator chose poorly when he chose Linden, or b) that Foul chose Linden, not the Creator. I don't think either are correct. I tend to believe that the Creator chose wisely, and while damage is done, as it was with TC, LA will redeem herself.

The Creator did not choose LA for the second summoning. His absence did not go unnoticed by her.

[rdhopeca]

My theory is that the Creator will find a "back door" into the Land and undo all the damage wrought by LA's ham-handed inability to deal with things herself.

This implies that either a) the Creator chose poorly when he chose Linden, or b) that Foul chose Linden, not the Creator. I don't think either are correct. I tend to believe that the Creator chose wisely, and while damage is done, as it was with TC, LA will redeem herself.

The Creator did not choose LA for the second summoning. His absence did not go unnoticed by her.

I think one could make the argument that he chose her, period. Otherwise, you can say that the Creator did not choose TC for the summoning in the 2nd Chrons. The scenarios are similar.

Just because he did not speak to her does not mean he did not choose her, the same way him deciding not to speak to Covenant at the 2nd Chrons does not mean he had not chosen him.