The Pacific

[Warmark]

Have we got a thread for this?

Anywa, Trailer is out www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a72_Sxta1c

I. Cant. Wait.

[Warmark]

Nobody else excited by this? I just watched the trailer again, its going to be epic.

[Kil Tyme]

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Home Box Office, Inc..

Here is a new link...if it lasts long enough:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=e99B80crU3E

Looks good, but I was much more excited about BoB since Germany was my Dad's battleground.

[Cord]

Was crap from start to finish.

[Akasri]

Yeah, I was disappointed too - there were a couple of bright spots, but it was far, far, inferior to Band of Brothers.

[dlbpharmd]

Yeah, I was disappointed too - there were a couple of bright spots, but it was far, far, inferior to Band of Brothers.

Agreed.

[jelerak]

The characters never gripped me...except for ya boy who got the Medal of Honor and when his widow met his family (that had some power behind it), the rest of the series just had nothing that got a grip on me.

You would think that by the end of the show the would have been some kind of attachment there, but there was none...at least not for myself, anyway.

[dlbpharmd]

The characters never gripped me...except for ya boy who got the Medal of Honor and when his widow met his family (that had some power behind it), the rest of the series just had nothing that got a grip on me.

You would think that by the end of the show the would have been some kind of attachment there, but there was none...at least not for myself, anyway.

Again, I agree. Basilone's character was the best written and acted, and his story was very compelling.

[duchess of malfi]

I cannot disagree with you guys more.

Just asking - how many times have you watched this, and were you able to watch it in sequence as DVD's or all broken up on TV?

Because I watched it the first time on my vacation week on DVD last week, and thought it was good, though not as good as BOB. Now I have been watching it again with my hub (who was not able to watch it with me) and it is a lot better the second time around. In fact in one way - the last episode which shows how difficult it was for the men to come home to civilian life - it is much better than almost everything in BOB.

It is not the evenly flowing story that was BOB - it follows three individual men whose stories overlap a bit here and there rather than a more or less consistent group of men going through the same events - but when you watch it the second time when you are more familiar with the characters and events - it makes more sense (when you watch it the first time for example the Australian shore leave episode just sort of makes you go - but on the second viewing it is much more meaningful).

After the second run through, I think is every bit as good as BOB, just in a different way. It is a lot more raw and violent, without the great humane heart of Winters running through it like a lodestone (Sledge's Captain is the closest we see to a Winters

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and his death in action brings all of his men to the point of moral and emotional collapse

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BOB was just that - an exploration of the bond of men going through warfare together.

What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

The Pacific explores much darker territory - the raw horror that is war, and what it does to those who survive it and those left behind (as with Basilone's family).

A better Shakespeare quote/scene for TP would be Macbeth's wife trying to wash the blood from her hands - a descent into madness brought on by violence.