The First Staff of Law
Moderators: kevinswatch, Orlion
-
- Servant of the Land
- Posts: 19
- Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:31 am
The First Staff of Law
Hi all. Back after a week or do moving house.
I am currently re-reading The One Tree. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how Berek was able to secure a branch off The One Tree when TC could not. When TC asked Findail about it, he replied that it was 'not won by combat', nor was there a guardian at the time. I don't want to say too much for the people who have not read FR yet but the question still remains.
Cheers
I am currently re-reading The One Tree. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how Berek was able to secure a branch off The One Tree when TC could not. When TC asked Findail about it, he replied that it was 'not won by combat', nor was there a guardian at the time. I don't want to say too much for the people who have not read FR yet but the question still remains.
Cheers
- peter
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 11578
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:08 am
- Location: Another time. Another place.
- Been thanked: 6 times
I'm thinking this about sums it upVader wrote:TC couldn't because White Gold would have woken up the WoTWE. Berek didn't have white gold and there was no guardian. So for him it was find that tree, get there, cut off a branch and
Bob's your uncle ... he had the SoL.
The truth is a Lion and does not need protection. Once free it will look after itself.
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
- wayfriend
- .
- Posts: 20957
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:34 am
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 4 times
And then there is Findail's answer, when this very question was asked of him.
In [u]White Gold Weilder[/u] was wrote:[Covenant asks] "We couldn't get a branch of the One Tree. There was no way. But it's been done before. How did Berek do it?"
Findail paused at the wall, answered over his shoulder. "The Worm was not made restive by his approach, for he did not win his way with combat.
.
- SGuilfoyle1966
- Giantfriend
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:28 am
- Location: Fort Mill SC
Re: The First Staff of Law
Spirit of the Knight wrote:Hi all. Back after a week or do moving house.
I am currently re-reading The One Tree. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how Berek was able to secure a branch off The One Tree when TC could not. When TC asked Findail about it, he replied that it was 'not won by combat', nor was there a guardian at the time. I don't want to say too much for the people who have not read FR yet but the question still remains.
Cheers
UPS delivers EVERYWHERE.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
- SGuilfoyle1966
- Giantfriend
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:28 am
- Location: Fort Mill SC
Seriously, Berek got the WOOD, but he didn't get the STAFF.
Had to have made the staff.
Also, he certainly cut the staff off, because Covenant observes a long shaft that look as if it had been cut once before, does he not?
I am amazed, by the way, for you people who can C&P passages so easily.
Had to have made the staff.
Also, he certainly cut the staff off, because Covenant observes a long shaft that look as if it had been cut once before, does he not?
I am amazed, by the way, for you people who can C&P passages so easily.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
Does anyone find it interesting that someone who must've had a very strong healthsense would actually *cut* a branch off the Tree? (To anyone living in the time of the First Chrons, that would have been the same as cutting someone's arm off.)
What power could he have used that would not have violated the Tree?
What power could he have used that would not have violated the Tree?
"History is a myth men have agreed upon." - Napoleon
- High Lord Tolkien
- Excommunicated Member of THOOLAH
- Posts: 7383
- Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:40 am
- Location: Cape Cod, Mass
- Been thanked: 3 times
- Contact:
I always thought that the Lomilliar (sp?) rods or pieces of High Wood were in fact the branches that were cut from the bough Berek cut from the One Tree.SGuilfoyle1966 wrote:Seriously, Berek got the WOOD, but he didn't get the STAFF.
Had to have made the staff.
Also, he certainly cut the staff off, because Covenant observes a long shaft that look as if it had been cut once before, does he not?
But because they lacked the size and runes of the Staff they lacked the Staff's potential or power.
We are thieves actually.SGuilfoyle1966 wrote:I am amazed, by the way, for you people who can C&P passages so easily.
We rationalize or forgive our theft by claiming that we have the actual physical copies of the books and only illegally acquired the online text versions for the ease of passage searching and copying and pasting on forums like this.
https://thoolah.blogspot.com/
[Defeated by a gizmo from Batman's utility belt]
Joker: I swear by all that's funny never to be taken in by that unconstitutional device again!
[Defeated by a gizmo from Batman's utility belt]
Joker: I swear by all that's funny never to be taken in by that unconstitutional device again!
- wayfriend
- .
- Posts: 20957
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:34 am
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 4 times
Well, maybe you are.High Lord Tolkien wrote:We are thieves actually.
I memorized the entire series. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
I think *only* a person with health-sense could have done it. They would be able to see exactly where and how the task needed to be done. (As health-sense helped Linden see exactly how to reset broken bones, where to put pressure to stop internal bleeding, etc.)Relayer wrote:Does anyone find it interesting that someone who must've had a very strong healthsense would actually *cut* a branch off the Tree? (To anyone living in the time of the First Chrons, that would have been the same as cutting someone's arm off.)
What power could he have used that would not have violated the Tree?
And is it actually harming a Tree to take one branch? Some trees are healthier if they are kept pruned. If you think of it more as "harvesting" rather than "maiming", I think it's not out of line with the spirit of the old Lords.
Besides, the Creator "guided" Berek in the creation of the Staff. Whatever that means, it certainly means the effort has the Creator's support.
.
A good point. Plus, if it's the One Tree, could it not be vaguely sentient? Maybe Berek simply asked it for a branch. That would add some meaning to his taking the wood "without conflict".And is it actually harming a Tree to take one branch? Some trees are healthier if they are kept pruned. If you think of it more as "harvesting" rather than "maiming", I think it's not out of line with the spirit of the old Lords.
- DukkhaWaynhim
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 9195
- Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:35 pm
- Location: Deep in thought
AND the Gradual Interview!wayfriend wrote:I memorized the entire series. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Good points about pruning. Except that, 6000 years later, the Tree apparently looks exactly the same in that spot where the branch was removed. (I'm not a gardener and have no idea what it should look like).wayfriend wrote:I think *only* a person with health-sense could have done it. They would be able to see exactly where and how the task needed to be done. (As health-sense helped Linden see exactly how to reset broken bones, where to put pressure to stop internal bleeding, etc.)Relayer wrote:Does anyone find it interesting that someone who must've had a very strong healthsense would actually *cut* a branch off the Tree? (To anyone living in the time of the First Chrons, that would have been the same as cutting someone's arm off.)
What power could he have used that would not have violated the Tree?
And is it actually harming a Tree to take one branch? Some trees are healthier if they are kept pruned. If you think of it more as "harvesting" rather than "maiming", I think it's not out of line with the spirit of the old Lords.
Besides, the Creator "guided" Berek in the creation of the Staff. Whatever that means, it certainly means the effort has the Creator's support.
As to the Creator's guidance,
Spoiler
should we assume that the Creator also guided the Theomach? (or that the Creator IS the Theomach? )
"History is a myth men have agreed upon." - Napoleon
High Lord Tolkien wrote:We are thieves actually.
wayfriend wrote:Well, maybe you are. I memorized the entire series. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
I have two complete sets of TC books..the sweet covers and the newer Fabio Foamfollower versions. I have an eidetic memory so I just pull it from the junk-bins of my mind Labled TCTC do not delete...
Relayer wrote:Does anyone find it interesting that someone who must've had a very strong healthsense would actually *cut* a branch off the Tree? (To anyone living in the time of the First Chrons, that would have been the same as cutting someone's arm off.)
What power could he have used that would not have violated the Tree?
I wondered that also... the earth power must have coaxed the tree into dropping a branch for Berek as part of their arrangement, then gave Berek the sacred words of earthpower, alakazam alakazaw, turn this wood into a staff of law.
- SGuilfoyle1966
- Giantfriend
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:28 am
- Location: Fort Mill SC
As to theRelayer wrote:As to the Creator's guidance,Spoiler
should we assume that the Creator also guided the Theomach? (or that the Creator IS the Theomach? )
Spoiler
Theomach
Spoiler
God
Spoiler
Theo
Spoiler
God
Do, or do not. There is no try.
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
I think you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
Irishman and Gamecock fan
- SGuilfoyle1966
- Giantfriend
- Posts: 279
- Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:28 am
- Location: Fort Mill SC
- Vader
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1865
- Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:03 pm
- Location: On the lam
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
And more:SGuilfoyle1966 wrote:As to theRelayer wrote:As to the Creator's guidance,Spoiler
should we assume that the Creator also guided the Theomach? (or that the Creator IS the Theomach? )and the Creator, a Creator isSpoiler
TheomachandSpoiler
Godis the Greek root forSpoiler
Theo.Spoiler
God
Spoiler
"mach" is similar to German "machen" (to make). Theomach could be "the making God" = CREATOR.
Spoiler
I don't really believe the Theomach is the Creator.
Spoiler
Spoiler tags are fun.
Functionless art is vandalism. I am the vandal.