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Half-book titles

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:03 pm
by largo
Can someone assist me? I'm looking at the titles of each half of each book and wondering about the originators of the quotes:

Runes of the Earth

Part 1 -- "Chosen For This Desecration" (Lord Foul, I'm sure)
Part 2 -- "The Only Form of Innocence" (?)

Fatal Revenant

Part 1 -- "Lest You Prove Unable to Serve Me" (?)
Part 2 -- "Victims and Enactors of Despite" (?)

That's assuming these lines were in fact spoken by someone in the narrative. I may be wrong.

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:55 pm
by dlbpharmd
Part 1 of ROTE comes from TWL, chapter 15. Gibbon to Linden:
You have been especially chosen for this desecration.
Part 1 of FR comes from ROTE, Part 1 chapter 6. Lord Foul to Linden:
You must be restored, lest you prove unable to serve me.
I'll work on finding the other sources.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:10 am
by Fist and Faith
Part 2 of FR comes from WGW, Chapter 15 - Enactors or Desecration. Kevin to Linden:
"We are kindred in our way — the victims and enactors of Despite. You must heed me. Do not credit that you may exercise choice here. The Land's need admits no choice. You must heed me. Must!"

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:53 pm
by largo
Thanks guys! Good work. I see I was wrong about even the first one. Now we just need the second part of ROTE.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:12 pm
by dlbpharmd
Fist and Faith wrote:Part 2 of FR comes from WGW, Chapter 15 - Enactors or Desecration. Kevin to Linden:
"We are kindred in our way — the victims and enactors of Despite. You must heed me. Do not credit that you may exercise choice here. The Land's need admits no choice. You must heed me. Must!"
Beat me to it. I can't find "The Only Form of Innocence." Will keep looking.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:30 pm
by Vraith
dlbpharmd wrote:
Fist and Faith wrote:Part 2 of FR comes from WGW, Chapter 15 - Enactors or Desecration. Kevin to Linden:
"We are kindred in our way — the victims and enactors of Despite. You must heed me. Do not credit that you may exercise choice here. The Land's need admits no choice. You must heed me. Must!"
Beat me to it. I can't find "The Only Form of Innocence." Will keep looking.
I don't know if this will help the search...but in my head, the whole line is something like " only form of innocence is impotence" ...and it comes from TC's mouth...but I might be confused.

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:06 am
by Seareach
Vraith wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
Fist and Faith wrote:Part 2 of FR comes from WGW, Chapter 15 - Enactors or Desecration. Kevin to Linden:
Beat me to it. I can't find "The Only Form of Innocence." Will keep looking.
I don't know if this will help the search...but in my head, the whole line is something like " only form of innocence is impotence" ...and it comes from TC's mouth...but I might be confused.
Vraith is right. It's from that quote which, I think (although I'm not sure), Covenant says on the second time Linden goes to Haven farm in TWL

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:32 am
by Savor Dam
Close. The quote is from Daughter, the first chapter of TWL, but the words are spoken by Dr. Berenford, referring to the townsfolk:
Ignorance is the only form of innocence they understand.

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:39 am
by largo
Beautiful. Thanks again everyone. Now, as of today, we have two more quotes from AATE:

Part 1 -- "To Achieve the Ruin of the Earth"

Part 2 -- "Only the Damned"

I actually remember where the second quote comes from. This one, like "the only form of innocence", is I think also from Dr. Berenford, when he's talking to Linden about Covenant's novel. He summarizes it by quipping, "Only the damned can be saved."

Not sure about the first, though it sounds like it comes from the Elohim, the Haruchai, or Lord Foul.

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:38 pm
by rdhopeca
largo wrote:Beautiful. Thanks again everyone. Now, as of today, we have two more quotes from AATE:

Part 1 -- "To Achieve the Ruin of the Earth"

Part 2 -- "Only the Damned"

I actually remember where the second quote comes from. This one, like "the only form of innocence", is I think also from Dr. Berenford, when he's talking to Linden about Covenant's novel. He summarizes it by quipping, "Only the damned can be saved."

Not sure about the first, though it sounds like it comes from the Elohim, the Haruchai, or Lord Foul.
I believe the first comes from a quote something like "you are being forged, as iron is forged, to achieve the ruin of the earth"...maybe Gibbon?

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:16 pm
by Fist and Faith
Yeah, rd. TWL, Chapter 15: Because You Can See. Nasty raver to Linden.
"You have been especially chosen for this desecration. You are being forged as iron is forged to achieve the ruin of the Earth."

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:20 pm
by Orlion
How convenient, I was just wondering about all of these :D

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:16 pm
by Zarathustra
Great thread! It's nice to have those quotes and their context all in one place. However, isn't it kind of a spoiler to give the AATE ones?

Anyway, to put it all in one post:

Runes of the Earth
Part 1 -- "Chosen For This Desecration" [TWL, chapter 15. Gibbon to Linden: You have been especially chosen for this desecration.]

Part 2 -- "The Only Form of Innocence" [first chapter of TWL, Dr. Berenford, referring to the townsfolk: Ignorance is the only form of innocence they understand.]


Fatal Revenant

Part 1 -- "Lest You Prove Unable to Serve Me" [ROTE, Part 1 chapter 6. Lord Foul to Linden: You must be restored, lest you prove unable to serve me.]

Part 2 -- "Victims and Enactors of Despite" [WGW, Chapter 15 - Enactors of Desecration. Kevin to Linden: "We are kindred in our way — the victims and enactors of Despite.]

AATE:

Part 1 -- "To Achieve the Ruin of the Earth" [TWL, Chapter 15: Because You Can See. Raver to Linden: "You have been especially chosen for this desecration. You are being forged as iron is forged to achieve the ruin of the Earth."]


Part 2 -- "Only the Damned"

So that leaves just the last one. Which, if I'm not mistaken, I think was a song title from the 80s band, Journey, right? 8)

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:40 pm
by Vader
Only the damned know that only the dead know Brooklyn.

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:10 pm
by Zarathustra
From AATE itself (chapter 4), "Only the Damned" was explained as a quote from Berenford when he was describing the meaning of Covenant's book. The rest of the quote is, "... can be saved."