Just how big is Andelain, anyway?

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Just how big is Andelain, anyway?

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Can anyone explain how the heck Sunder, Holian, and Elena were able to manifest not only outside Andelain, but right next to the source of the Earthpower-suppressing Kevin's Dirt?

Does the Krill, when charged up, function as a sort of holographic projector, or is there something else going on here?
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I think it had to do with Anele, who's kinda a mobile Earthpower battery :D
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Re: Just how big is Andelain, anyway?

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Dagonet wrote:Can anyone explain how the heck Sunder, Holian, and Elena were able to manifest not only outside Andelain, but right next to the source of the Earthpower-suppressing Kevin's Dirt?

Does the Krill, when charged up, function as a sort of holographic projector, or is there something else going on here?
The dead have been able to manifest themselves anywhere...Kevin at Melenkurion Skyweir, a whole mass of them at Foul's Creche, Elena at the Colossus...not sure they would be subject to any restrictions per se...
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rdhopeca wrote:
Dagonet wrote:Can anyone explain how the heck Sunder, Holian, and Elena were able to manifest not only outside Andelain, but right next to the source of the Earthpower-suppressing Kevin's Dirt?

Does the Krill, when charged up, function as a sort of holographic projector, or is there something else going on here?
The dead have been able to manifest themselves anywhere...Kevin at Melenkurion Skyweir, a whole mass of them at Foul's Creche, Elena at the Colossus...not sure they would be subject to any restrictions per se...
At Melenkurion Skyweir and at the Colossus, they were coerced by some power to appear there. The Power of Command forced Kevin, the Illearth Stone forced Elena. Foul's Creche...well, that seems to be an exception :D

It could be that the Dead prefer Andelain... or it's easier to manifest themselves there than elsewhere.
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rdhopeca,

Those were all special cases, though: Kevin had been yanked out of his grave by the Power of Command (and was presumably dismissed after killing Elena), while Elena was being actively maintained by the Illearth Stone. I assume you mean all the dead Giants at Coercri, rather than Foul's Creche, but in that case they were bound to that location, and not able to show up wherever/whenever needed. At least since the breaking of the Law of Life, the Dead have been stuck in Andelain, at least as far as we knew.


Orlion,

I was going to say, that if Anele could call up the Dead like that, why not at other times? It's not like they were in appreciably more danger from Voldemartha than they've been in at other times in the Last Chronicles. But you know, if the ability to whistle up the Dead is part of Anele's "inheritance," that could mean that Jeremiah could bring in *all* of them to help fight the Worm in TLD.


Edit: My bad--you did actually mean Foul's Creche. I'd forgotten about that, and have no justification. :oops:
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Anele would have been prevented by his madness and general fear of calling attention to himself.

However, if his inherent Earthpower is what allowed it, than Jeremiah would also have that ability... good catch.
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Dagonet wrote:rdhopeca,

Those were all special cases, though: Kevin had been yanked out of his grave by the Power of Command (and was presumably dismissed after killing Elena), while Elena was being actively maintained by the Illearth Stone. I assume you mean all the dead Giants at Coercri, rather than Foul's Creche, but in that case they were bound to that location, and not able to show up wherever/whenever needed. At least since the breaking of the Law of Life, the Dead have been stuck in Andelain, at least as far as we knew.


Orlion,

I was going to say, that if Anele could call up the Dead like that, why not at other times? It's not like they were in appreciably more danger from Voldemartha than they've been in at other times in the Last Chronicles. But you know, if the ability to whistle up the Dead is part of Anele's "inheritance," that could mean that Jeremiah could bring in *all* of them to help fight the Worm in TLD.


Edit: My bad--you did actually mean Foul's Creche. I'd forgotten about that, and have no justification. :oops:
I'll give you one more, to go with the Giants (who I had forgotten). TC at the end of WGW in Mount Thunder. He wasn't summoned or commanded, was he?
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Taking Orlion's idea of preference a bit further: I'd speculate that the dead would be more vulnerable to coercion/corruption outside of Andelain.
Though it seems the dead have more vision in death, they are all enormously weaker in power than they were in life.
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Orlion wrote:Anele would have been prevented by his madness and general fear of calling attention to himself.

However, if his inherent Earthpower is what allowed it, than Jeremiah would also have that ability... good catch.

And let's go one further: do we think Jeremiah's facility for the lost art of marrowmeld is also a result of Anele's legacy? If so, I wonder what other knowledge and/or goodies might have been stashed in there by the Dead.

And on the subject of marrowmeld. . .

The last known practitioner with High Lord Elena.

And Elena's final marrowmeld sculpture taught Mhoram the secret of the Ritual of Desecration.
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I've been saying for years Thomas should have taken some tape measure with him to the Land to find out this very question.
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