Imagine if Elena had obtained the ring from Covenant.
Can you speculate on what would have happened?
Elena with White Gold
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Horrim Carabal
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Yes. Yes, I can.
*Elena sees WGR*
High Lord Elena: Oooooo! Shiny! *puts ring on*
*KABLAM, Arch of Time go bye bye!*
Lord Foul: Muhahahahahaha! My victory is compleate!
*Elena sees WGR*
High Lord Elena: Oooooo! Shiny! *puts ring on*
*KABLAM, Arch of Time go bye bye!*
Lord Foul: Muhahahahahaha! My victory is compleate!
"Branches spread and tree trunks grow
Through rain and heat and snow and cold:
Though wide world's winds untimely blow,
And earthquakes rock and cliff unseal,
My leaves grow green and seedlings bloom
Since days before the Earth was old
And Time began its walk to doom,
The Forests world's bare rock anneal,
Forbidding dusty waste and death
I am the Land's Creator's hold:
I inhale all expiring breath,
And breath out life to bind and heal.
But ax and fire leave me dead.
I know the hate of hands grown bold.
Depart to save your heart-sap's red:
My hate knows neither rest nor weal."
TCTC: About to start FR
Through rain and heat and snow and cold:
Though wide world's winds untimely blow,
And earthquakes rock and cliff unseal,
My leaves grow green and seedlings bloom
Since days before the Earth was old
And Time began its walk to doom,
The Forests world's bare rock anneal,
Forbidding dusty waste and death
I am the Land's Creator's hold:
I inhale all expiring breath,
And breath out life to bind and heal.
But ax and fire leave me dead.
I know the hate of hands grown bold.
Depart to save your heart-sap's red:
My hate knows neither rest nor weal."
TCTC: About to start FR
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peter
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Given one of the scenes I seem to remember between TC and Elena, if she had obtained his white gold wedding ring I think she may have had other things on her mind!
But seriously, I am not one of those who cannot see other than ruin in whatever Elena touches. It is only recently that I have been aware that there exists an animosity toward her (to the point where she now has her own 'hater' society in the making). I don't understand this - I never saw Elena as anything other than a beautiful and caring individual. That her ideas went so tragically wrong does not for me transform her into a being of evil, or indeed a 'stupid blonde'. She was fallable - no more, no less - and so (finally) to get to HC's original question, I see no reason to believe that her response to obtaining the White Gold would be that much different to Prothall's, or Morham's or any other High Lord who we respect. I'm not even sure TC did not offer her the ring (it's way back since I read TIW) only for her to reject it. If this did not happen I'm sure it would have had he made the offer.
But seriously, I am not one of those who cannot see other than ruin in whatever Elena touches. It is only recently that I have been aware that there exists an animosity toward her (to the point where she now has her own 'hater' society in the making). I don't understand this - I never saw Elena as anything other than a beautiful and caring individual. That her ideas went so tragically wrong does not for me transform her into a being of evil, or indeed a 'stupid blonde'. She was fallable - no more, no less - and so (finally) to get to HC's original question, I see no reason to believe that her response to obtaining the White Gold would be that much different to Prothall's, or Morham's or any other High Lord who we respect. I'm not even sure TC did not offer her the ring (it's way back since I read TIW) only for her to reject it. If this did not happen I'm sure it would have had he made the offer.
President of Peace? You fucking idiots!
"I know what America is. America is a thing that you can move very easily. Move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way." (Benjamin Netenyahu 2001.)
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
"I know what America is. America is a thing that you can move very easily. Move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way." (Benjamin Netenyahu 2001.)
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Elena would enact a desecration that would make Kevin's seem like a minor aberration....
It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Hmmm..I have to disagree, since Kevin's desecration was based on his succumbing to despair. Elena, despite her faults, doesn't seem prone to despair.Seeker of Truth wrote:Elena would enact a desecration that would make Kevin's seem like a minor aberration....
Therefore whatever damage she would do with the White Gold must be, to my mind, secondary to Kevin's utter ruin.
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Hmmm...if she is given the ring, but nothing else about here character/flaw is changed....
I fear, since Staff and Ring don't work so well together, she'd have given it to Kevin...the end being pretty much what Falconer said.
I fear, since Staff and Ring don't work so well together, she'd have given it to Kevin...the end being pretty much what Falconer said.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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Just give me a quick recap folks (it's earlyish where I come from and I'm still not firing on all cylinders) - what were the ramifications of Elena's act in terms of the future events in the Land. Perhaps what I'm asking is, did not the breaking of the Law of Death (was this what Elena did or was that Cariol Wildwood when he resurected Hollian --- Gosh I'm in a muddle here) enable insome way things to happen that ultimately resulted in the saving of the Land. As such, were her acts not as necessary as say the betrayal of Christ by Judas Escariot (Ouch! 
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).President of Peace? You fucking idiots!
"I know what America is. America is a thing that you can move very easily. Move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way." (Benjamin Netenyahu 2001.)
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
"I know what America is. America is a thing that you can move very easily. Move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way." (Benjamin Netenyahu 2001.)
....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'
We are the Bloodguard
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Vraith
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It's a paradox of a kind. Yes, many things for saving the Land are possible because of various acts...at the same time, the disasters that need fixing are due to those same acts.peter wrote:Just give me a quick recap folks (it's earlyish where I come from and I'm still not firing on all cylinders) - what were the ramifications of Elena's act in terms of the future events in the Land. Perhaps what I'm asking is, did not the breaking of the Law of Death (was this what Elena did or was that Cariol Wildwood when he resurected Hollian --- Gosh I'm in a muddle here) enable insome way things to happen that ultimately resulted in the saving of the Land. As such, were her acts not as necessary as say the betrayal of Christ by Judas Escariot (Ouch!
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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I'm with Peter on this one, Srd stated that she was chosen as high lord because she had the capacity (as did covenant remember) of either saving or damning the land. Theres no reason that had she obtained the ring she wouldnt have taken out foul personally. Remember that passion was the key to power and she had a lot of that! Her motivations were love of the land and hate of lord Foul, she didn't set out to destroy the land as Kevin did. But good people make bad decisions all the time. Infact everyone does, it's the price of responsibility