How was the universe first created?

Post by **Revan** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:32 pm

Was it the Big Bang? In that case, how did the Big Bang come about? Was it God? - IMO it wasn't. Have you got any other theories to how time came to exist. What do you think happened at the beginning of time?

Post by **aTOMiC** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:46 pm

It has been so long I don't remember how I did it.

Post by **Revan** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:56 pm

Post by **Revan** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:57 pm

No, actually answer probably, how do you think it happened?

Post by **hierachy** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:19 pm

yes, i think the big bang, but i don't even speculate on how, or what existerd before it. nothing, to me, sounds unlikely

Post by **Loredoctor** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:50 am

Current belief (among quantum physicists) is that the universe was born from a fluctuation in quantum fields.

Post by **hierachy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:33 am

wait, how could ther be a fluxuation in quantum fields if there were no quanta... and what caused the fluxuation?

Post by **Loredoctor** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:21 am

Well, this is hard to explain. If you treat 'nothing' as a state of nothing/something (quantum theory is like that - states of existence) then a random fluctuation may result in the universe being born. Particles come into existence from nothing all the time. For instance, virtual particles (particle and anti-particle). The theory is that the universe was a positive and the gravitational field it's negative. So the potential energy is balanced.

Post by **Zephalephelah** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:24 am

It's pretty easy to decide that it happened because of something you were taught throughout your life to believe.

You know who the real thinkers are? They are the ones who look at what is said "The world is flat" and decide that it isn't true because it is a silly notion.

First there was nothing & then suddenly for no reason at all, boom, there was something. Yeah, great theory. You know what that theory really represents, we don't have a single clue.

We don't know what the universe even looks like- closed, open, folded...

Some scientists even say it will collapse on itself. That's high humor given the size of the universe, and at any rate we can measure the moon moving away from the earth so I guess that blows that idea because all the galaxies in the universe appears to be moving away from all the rest with some minor collisions along the way out.

How about it makes no sense that there was once nothing & it makes no sense that there was once something?

Post by **Loredoctor** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:27 am

It's not that the galaxies are moving per se, it's that space is moving.

Post by **hierachy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:30 am

I agree that it is almost impossible for me to believe that there was nothing, I don't find it impossible that the universe will collapse in on itself. Your right, we don't relly have much of the picture, but if no one theorises, then how can we expect to ever get closer to the real answer?

Post by **Revan** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:49 am

I don't know....

Post by **Zephalephelah** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:22 pm

First there was God. He existed outside of time. Therefore there was no such thing as "before". Then there was the universe.

It isn't like God was born, or that he chose a time to start the universe. There was no time. There was no universe. There was no dimension of physical existence. There was just God. He is. It wasn't He was there or He somehow came into being. You can't quantify time when there is no time to measure.

And this isn't so strange at it may seem. Consider the universe. Think of how large the universe is. Nope, larger. So you think larger. Nope larger. So you think larger. Nope, you can't do it. It is beyond our scope of comprehension because infinite space is not measurable.

So the answer is that there cannot be an answer without God.

Post by **hierachy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:29 pm

I'm not so sure, I don't believe in a god. Maybe the universe doese go in cycles..there is a big bang, everything expands, then gravity and other unknown forces cuase it to collapse, when it has shrunk to occupy one single point the density and compacted matter causes another big bang...maybe. As for what is outside of that, yes, time is relative, outside the universe it is likely that time does not exist... and no, I can't comprehend or even guess as to what might be outside the universe, presumably nothing, maybe other universes, or god. We just can't tell, it is possible that are whole universe may be the inside of another universes black hole...

Post by **dANdeLION** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:20 pm

Dinosaurs created the universe. They lived on our planet until we humans came along, then left because we humans smell so bad. Now they live on the third planet of Alpha Centauri, and use their powers to conceal their planet from detection by our satellites and telescopes. Every now and again they visit, usually because they are all master thespians, and they love acting in horror films, but also because we make better Buffalo wings than they do.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:21 pm

Oh, and dinosaurs believe in God. God-Zilla

Post by **hierachy** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:42 pm

you can always rely on dAN to make a perfectly serious chat silly, don't you agree?

BTW-ROFLMAO

Post by **Revan** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:14 am

MEGATON dAN wrote:Dinosaurs created the universe. They lived on our planet until we humans came along, then left because we humans smell so bad. Now they live on the third planet of Alpha Centauri, and use their powers to conceal their planet from detection by our satellites and telescopes. Every now and again they visit, usually because they are all master thespians, and they love acting in horror films, but also because we make better Buffalo wings than they do.

er...yes....right....

Post by **Revan** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:20 am

Zephalephelah wrote:First there was God. He existed outside of time. Therefore there was no such thing as "before". Then there was the universe.

It isn't like God was born, or that he chose a time to start the universe. There was no time. There was no universe. There was no dimension of physical existence. There was just God. He is. It wasn't He was there or He somehow came into being. You can't quantify time when there is no time to measure.

And this isn't so strange at it may seem. Consider the universe. Think of how large the universe is. Nope, larger. So you think larger. Nope larger. So you think larger. Nope, you can't do it. It is beyond our scope of comprehension because infinite space is not measurable.

So the answer is that there cannot be an answer without God.

I agree with you that the answers are beyond our measure of comprehension. But I think "So the answer is that there cannot be an answer without God", is false. There is no God, he cannot exist. There is no prove in his existence. And I think that God was a made up story by Moses (Whom wrote the first five books of the bible) and is fundamentally false.

No offense to those who are believers, I am to, but rather my belief is against, not for.

Post by **hierachy** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:55 am

Do you like changing f's for v's?

Kevin's Watch

Kevin's Watch

How was the universe first created?

How was the universe first created?