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RETURN OF THE KING (contains spoilers)

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:46 pm
by Michael Giantfriend
Return Of The King
(caution - contains minor spoilers throughout, and some biggies!!!)

The beginning with Sméagol and Déagol is superb, and cuts to Gollum with Frodo and Sam as they approach the Black Mountains. After that, there is just so much to take in! The Sméagol/Gollum biphasia especially is handled superbly here! Andy Serkis, I believe, deserves an Oscar for Best Actor! He was superb! (Okay, you only actually se him on screen during the Sméagol/Déagol scene, but he IS Gollum!)
The mustering of the Rohirrim at Dunharrow is spectacular in its own right, and that's just them gathering together! As for when they charge en-masse towards Sauron's army outside Minas Tirith!!! Words fail me!
The march of the army of the Witch King from Minas Morgul is fantastic - you wonder will the line of Orcs and Trolls ever end! The invasion of Osgiliath is superb - not quite on a par with the beach scene in "Saving Private Ryan" (that, after all, was an authentic recreation of an event still within living memory), but breathtaking nonetheless. The assault on Minas Tirith, likewise, is simply stunning! Trolls in full plate armour!!! Orcs by the tens of thousands!!! Dozens of Mûmakil! And the Nazgul shredding through cavalry like the Luftwaffe!!!
Shelob is, in my opinion, the only disappointment in the entire film - and even then, that's only relative! In any other movie, she would have been a highlight! I had imagined her to be larger, heavier, more ponderous, and to have that peculiar dim greenish glow that surrounds Minas Morgul itself. But, like I said, that is only relative to the rest of the movie!!!
There were scenes in this movie where, if I had less self-control, I would have been cheering and whooping with glee! As it was, I was doing a muted punch-in-the-air and whispering "Yes!" at them!


MAJOR SPOILER ALERT - If you haven't read the book, <u>do not</u> read the next paragraph!!!
Spoiler
I have to admit, there were some points where I found myself with a lump in the throat, and two where I actually did cry!!! The lumps in the throat came when Faramir led the Gondorian lancers in a futile Light Brigade-esque charge against the Orcs encamped at Osgiliath at the behest of Denethor while Pippin was forced to sing a song for Denethor, at the Cracks of Doom when Sméagol falls, at the Grey Havens when Gandalf, Bilbo and Frodo are saying goodbye, and at the charge of the Rohirrim - there is just something about the sight of 10,000 cavalry charging a quarter-million orcs that stirs something deep within!
The tears came, unsurprisingly, at the death of Théoden, and at the end when Sam walks up to the front door, picks up his daughter and says "Well, I'm back".
END MAJOR SPOILER ALERT


Without a doubt, this is the finest film of the three. It stays more true to the book than any of the other movies, although obviously there are still changes. Saruman, as predicted, does not appear in the cinema release (although the scenes with Christopher Lee are due to appear in the extended DVD due out next November). Legolas gets up to his old tricks again when he takes out a Mumakil single-handed! And Eowyn seriously kicks ass!

But despite the changes, this is a film that even Tolkien purists may be able to enjoy. There are no deaths/survivals/plot twists to surprise those familiar with the book (although Merry recovers rather swiftly after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields!) but all of the important plot lines are there, virtually unchanged.
It may just be the caffeine running through my system, it may just be adrenaline, it may be the lack of sleep, but whatever it is, at this moment in time I believe this may well be greatest movie I have ever seen. It certainly overtakes Spirited Away as my favourite film of this year! Time will tell, but I believe that even in ten years time, I will still feel this to be the single greatest movie ever.

If this doesn't clean up at the Oscars, there is no justice.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:47 pm
by Revan
You should put this in the LOTR forum.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:20 pm
by birdandbear
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:02 pm
by Kinslaughterer
Just got back about a half an hour ago...

At very few points in my life have I ever wanted to stand up in a theatre and shout or cry like a baby, this is one of those times. (I however didn't shout but maybe fought back a few tears.)

I say undoubtedly, with all credibility one such as I may boast, that was the single greatest movie I have ever seen and quite possibly will ever see.

Somewhere J.R.R Tolkien smiles.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:45 am
by caamora
SPOILERS










Ok. Just saw the movie and I have one question (since I never read the books): Does Aragorn really end up with the elf (Liv Tyler) in the end? This part of the movie seemed out of place to me. I thought that he should have ended up with Eowyn (the other girl?).

Anyway - it was the best of the three movies!! Spectacular! I was very pleased.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:46 am
by Fist and Faith
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:49 am
by Furls Fire
It's getting Oscar nods for Best Picture and Director... :) :)

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:51 am
by Fist and Faith
caamora wrote:SPOILERS










Ok. Just saw the movie and I have one question (since I never read the books): Does Aragorn really end up with the elf (Liv Tyler) in the end? This part of the movie seemed out of place to me. I thought that he should have ended up with Eowyn (the other girl?).

Anyway - it was the best of the three movies!! Spectacular! I was very pleased.
Spoiler
Yes, Aragorn and Arwen is one of the great love stories in literature, imo. They get married in one of the last chapters of the ROTK book. And the appendix tells good stuff about their life after. Everybody who's seen the movies would likely be interested in the appendix. Actually, there's a few, but even combined they aren't all that long.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:49 am
by Worm of Despite
Well, I'm fresh back from the movie. In fact, as I type this, my ass still feels like a hunk of lead.

I didn't cry, but I did get chills during the Grey Havens scene . . . and at Mount Doom . . . and . . . hmm . . . Somewhere else I got chills, I swear. But look, the reason I wasn't as affected by the movie is because those theater seats were so damn uncomfortable.

Personally, I still favor Fellowship of the Ring. What can I say, I'm a bit of a purist, and that one stayed the truest. Two Towers was great, but at one time I gave up and had to stop counting the times when I thought "Damn it, Jackson, go by the book. Tolkien really does do that bit better." With ROTK, my only gripe is that during a few choice scenes I expected to hear some very classic lines from the book, but I didn't hear 'em.

So . . . for me . . .

1. Fellowship
2. ROTK
3. Two Towers

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:55 am
by Worm of Despite
caamora wrote:Ok. Just saw the movie and I have one question (since I never read the books): Does Aragorn really end up with the elf (Liv Tyler) in the end? This part of the movie seemed out of place to me. I thought that he should have ended up with Eowyn (the other girl?).
In the book Eowyn hooks up with Faramir, to phrase their elegant pairing in 21st century.

ROTK

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:47 am
by Zahir
Eagles in the mist... Bilbo's last line... Fire beacons lighting across mountain tops... An oath a long, long last fulfilled... "That only counts as one!" ...Sam at last doing what he so clearly wanted to do back in Fellowship... Gondor giving tribute to the Hobbits...

*sniff*

Such are the images echoing in my memory right now.

BTW, the story of Aragorn and Arwen echoes that of Beren and Luthien in The Silmarillion. Luthien was an Elven King's daughter, and Beren loved her from the moment he saw her dancing among the trees of Doriath. Her father would only accept as a bride price a Silmaril--one of the holy gems stolen by Morgoth for his crown (this was the Dark Lord to whom Sauron was but a servant). Together, they achieved this quest, but Beren was killed. Luthien fled to the very halls of Mandos, where the dead wait. There, she sang a song of the great griefs suffered by Elves and Men, moving to pity eyes that had never before shed a tear. To her was given the gift to live again with Beren, but to live as one of his people. Thus did Luthien alone of all Elvish kind eventually truly die and leave the world as Men do (for Elves wait in the Halls of Mandos). And from them came a child, whose grandchildren were Elrond and his brother Elros (first King of Numenor and Aragorn's remote ancestor).

Tolkien first saw his future wife Edith dancing in the woods. Forbidden by his guardian, a Jesuit, to see the girl until he got his degree, Tolkien eventually came back only to learn she was engaged to another. She married him in the end.

Their headstones read: BEREN and LUTHIEN.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:16 pm
by Fist and Faith
Wow! Thanks for the info Zahir! How cool is that for headstones!!

(hmmm, I think a new thread is in order :))

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:21 pm
by Revan
I have not read all this. I'm trying so hard not to.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:00 pm
by birdandbear
Ode to Peter Jackson

Oh Peter Jackson
There are no words
for the grtatitude I feel
for these movies of
my favorite fantasy books
You did them justice
and made it look cool
and I cried like a baby
Thank you for your warm
handling of the movie
I saw last night
Bless you! Bless you!
Forever and forever
You rad little hobbit man, you.



Guys, I don't know what to say......I'm in utter awe! I cried every 15 minutes or so, and through all of the last 45. I left last night utterly transported, wanting to go right back in and see it again.... 8O :R 8O :R

:Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail: :Hail:

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:06 pm
by Revan
Your winding me up! :x

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:30 pm
by Furls Fire
Golden Globe nominations are out and it's up for 4, including Best Picture and Best Director!!

GO PETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:33 pm
by Revan
I need to see this movie NOW!!!

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:44 pm
by dlbpharmd
Saw this last night - I honestly believe that taken together these 3 movies represent the finest film making I have ever seen. If ROTK and Jackson don't win the Oscar, it will be a travesty - worse than Shawshank Redemption getting passed over, worse than Saving Private Ryan getting passed over.

I have never read the books - I tried to read both the Hobbit and FOTR and for the life of me, Tolkien drives me insane! So much superfluous fluff....

But the movies! My God!

Gotta see ROTK again - and soon!

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:05 pm
by Seafoam Understone
Seeing it tonight...seeing it tonight... seeing it tonight... seeing it tonight!! :) :) :) 8O urk! excitement overload

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:11 pm
by Fist and Faith
birdandbear,
You are adorable!!! :D