Batman Vs Superman- Rotten Tomato Rating 28%

[aTOMiC]

I only have one question.

How did this happen?

BVS will make truckloads of cash without question.
Michael Bay has proven you don't need the critics on your side to take cash to the bank and many of Zack Snyder's have been poorly reviewed but I have to admit I wasn't expecting the critics to rank BVS in the same league as Fantastic Four.

I will see the film with enthusiasm but this is a bit of a surprise.

[wayfriend]

I was surprised as well.

I wonder how much of it is people having incorporated the Marvel movie style and now expect it.

[Hashi Lebwohl]

Are they listed alphabetically in the title or in order of fanboi love? *shrug*

Current critic score at Rotten Tomatoes: 33%; current fan score: 78%. Critics typically dislike superhero films, anyway, so this is to be expected.

Haven't seen it yet; maybe this weekend...maybe next weekend. Don't know yet.

Sadly, if you don't want it spoiled for you than you will have to keep off the Internet for the next two weeks, or at least until you see it.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

I think it's largely gonna come down to whether or not one resonates with Snyder's vision. I do. He has Bay's sense of bigness, but combines it with coherence and significance.

[aTOMiC]

Crap. With more critics chiming in the rating dropped another point.
I will stop visiting Rotten Tomatoes until after I see the film for myself.

I don't know if the Marvel factor has anything to do with this. You'd think critics wouldn't be influenced by such things but I don't know.

I appreciate Zack Snyder's approach to film making but I suppose it's not for everyone.

I am not deterred in the slightest but it is disappointing.

[wayfriend]

There are plenty of strong, specific themes running through Batman v Superman, about the responsibilities of power, who can be trusted with it, and whether it corrupts absolutely. Both titular heroes must resist a system that would tie their hands and end their usefulness, in the name of making everyone equal. (Snyder's recent revelation that he wants to direct a version of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead certainly makes more sense now.) But that's why it's all the more aggravating when Snyder and his writers can't figure out how to express those themes clearly. There's plenty of fragmented musing throughout Batman v Superman about how Superman is essentially a god incarnate, with Earth benefiting from his benevolence, but helpless before his whims. But it's bloated with rabbit trails, dead ends, dream sequences (so many dream sequences) Lois Lane rescues (so many Lois Lane rescues), and pointed setups for future Justice League movies.

... or ...

"In a word, exhausting," the San Diego Reader's Matthew Lickona described the film. "In a few more, overblown, overstuffed, repetitive, bombastic, and sometimes just dumb."

I think I am getting a clearer picture of the problems.

'Batman v Superman' is so bad, it could kill plans for a DC film universe

ow.

[aTOMiC]

Ow indeed.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

(Snyder's recent revelation that he wants to direct a version of Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead certainly makes more sense now.)

I can only hope that Rand is a better storyteller than a philosopher.

Or, if not, that Snyder is a better storyteller than Rand.

[wayfriend]

There's some reviews up now on Ain't It Cool News, if you want to hear what superhero/comic geeks have to say.

[sgt.null]

I want to see it. I expect it to be better than bitter fanboys allow. and mainstream critics have little love for the genre.

and I am rooting for Batman against that damned alien.

[Obi-Wan Nihilo]

Illegal alien at that.

[Icarus Unfallen]

Ain't no wall high enough
Ain't no insult low enough
Ain't no electorate white enough
To let Trump deport the Supe...

[Hashi Lebwohl]

Its opening weekend was $170 M; when compared to the budget of about $250 M that's actually pretty good. These are domestic numbers only; I didn't see global numbers yet. After next weekend the movie should start turning a profit, which is the only number studios consider when planning future projects and the number one reason why this movie most definitely will not kill the DC Cinematic Universe.

I read some reviewers stating that they could never quite figure out exactly why these two guys are fighting each other. erm...if they had watched the movie instead of rolling their eyes because it wasn't exactly what they were expecting they would have figured out why they were fighting. It was pretty obvious, actually.

Yes, there are reveals at future DC projects. I would have put them as an after-credits scene, myself, to whet the audience appetite.

Spoiler time.

Spoiler

During the climactic fight, why did the military launch a missile? Superman had already lifted Doomsday into space, out past low-Earth orbit, so all he had to do at that moment was throw him towards the Sun--problem solved. There is no indication that Doomsday could fly so he would have been helpless against this tactic. Sure, that would kill Doomsday but we already know this Superman is able to kill--he has done it once before so he should be able to do it again, which would serve to reinforce the whole "what if he goes rogue?" idea.

Was it just me or did Lex suffer from some sort of brief tic or aphasia at the dinner reception? He stumbled over some words, repeated himself a couple of times, then quickly concluded his statements. Weird.

Fascinating spin on kryptonite--it isn't from Krypton anymore. No, the world engine managed to create some here on Earth during the brief time it was terraforming. That is brilliant. It converted local mineral deposits into kryptonite.

I am not convinced that the one dream sequence when Bruce was at his computer was a dream. That looked more like a message from the future.

Someone must have been paying attention to my comments over the years about how it would be easy to put Superman into checkmate or get him to do what you want.

[JIkj fjds j]

The only review I read about the film was from the Telegraph (UK). The critic said it was as if a reel was missing. I find this very interesting, because I've been seeing this in other movies: Prometheus, Interstellar, The Force Awakens, to name a few. If there is a trend towards future Director's Cut films then I guess we'll just have to wait and see them all.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

Well, it was great. I got what I was expecting and more. Dunno what the critics were expecting. Nolan? I like Nolan a lot, but I certainly wasn't expecting him. Man of Steel made that clear enough.

Looking forward to the 3-hr cut.

[wayfriend]

I'm glad to see some comments from people who have actually seen it. Keep them coming in.

At this point I don't think it's useful or fun to point out more bad reviews, but a video of Ben Affleck's expression during an interview, when he is confronted with the reviews, is becoming rapidly memic™.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

I'm glad to see some comments from people who have actually seen it. Keep them coming in.

At this point I don't think it's useful or fun to point out more bad reviews, but a video of Ben Affleck's expression during an interview, when he is confronted with the reviews, is becoming rapidly memic.

The way I see it, one indication that the critics are being hyper-harsh is that the cast, those with something to lose in backing a turkey, are standing behind the filme when they would, usually, either keep silent or be judiciously equivocal (until a few years later when they can freely disown it).


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The only review I read about the film was from the Telegraph (UK). The critic said it was as if a reel was missing. I find this very interesting, because I've been seeing this in other movies: Prometheus, Interstellar, The Force Awakens, to name a few. If there is a trend towards future Director's Cut films then I guess we'll just have to wait and see them all.

I didn't see this yesterday (since it seems that we posted at the exact same minute).

But yeah, Synder has said that there is a 3-hr, R-rated cut.

'Batman v Superman' Extended R-Rated Cut Gets Summer Release Date [Updated]

... So what will be on this extended cut of the film, which runs 30 minutes longer than the theatrical cut? Snyder previously revealed that the extended cut includes Jena Malone's mysterious character, as well as more of Jimmy Olsen, and the filmmaker even told us during our interview that there's a longer version of the film's ending:

There's a little bit of action, there's a little bit of violence that we trimmed out for the MPAA that we put back. The Batman warehouse rescue, there's a couple shots of Doomsday that were too intense. Then there's a little bit longer ending, sort of the ending sequence, and the opening of the movie, the North Africa sequence is really much different.

[...]

[Update: Warner Bros. has reached out to let us know that the film will not be released on home video on July 16th, and that this information was inaccurate. We'll let you know the official release date as soon as it's announced.]

[Hashi Lebwohl]

It's a superhero movie; we don't go to those expecting top-tier acting or dialog. Truthfully, go back and watch other science-fiction films which many people consider "classics", such as the original Star Wars from 1977. Ignore everything and focus only on the acting. What you will find are flat, mostly sub-par performances...but we didn't watch that movie for the acting. The same is true here. We go to superhero films for the action.

The film does start to ask questions we have to ask of metahumans--how would it be possible to prevent them from violating our rights or various laws? The very act of going after criminals without legal authority is, itself, illegal; the fact that law enforcement would not be able to take down a super-powered villain is irrelevant--the law is what it is. Of course, were super powers to become a real thing those sorts of laws would change. Would superhumans have to be deputized or sworn in before being able to act? Wouldn't this then limit their freedom of action in certain circumstances because there are things that law enforcement professionals are not allowed to do?

These questions ultimately lead me back to the conclusion I have had for about a decade now--if super powers really did develop then it would take only 20 years for the superhumans to take over. Collectively, no government or military could stop them, especially if one or more of them have any sort of suggestion or mind-control power because they would become the government via direct control of elected leaders.

Anyway, we should get more of this same concept in about a month-and-a-half when Civil War hits the theaters. How do humans deal with metahumans? Would those of us without powers have to hope that those with powers continue to limit themselves given the nature of their abilities? Would we be able to trust them that much?

This version of Superman really is the most human he has ever been. He has a small dark streak that is hiding under the surface.

This film wasn't a turkey. Not as much fun as Guardians of the Galaxy, of course, but very enjoyable.

[dlbpharmd]

28% is about right. It's absolutely terrible.

[aTOMiC]

Still haven't seen the film but I intend to soon. I have to confess I am not as enthusiastic as I was only a couple of weeks ago.