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Linden shouting at Covenants Dead

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) hmmm.... this has been brought up before... most likely a topic has been made on it before... but as I am not sure... I'll start one of my own.

So what do you think of linden doing this? Is she fully to blame? I don't think so... Would it have killed TC to tell her? (It probably would... but that's beside the point.) I thin Thomas should hvae told her everything when they were in Revelstone together, and I never fully understood why he did not...
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I think he didn't because he thought she couldn't handle the knowledge. I mean, his plan was fundamentally based on two things:

1) Surrender the ring to Foul;
2) Hope Foul kills you before he tries to shatter the Arch of Time.

Both of these assumptions could not be easily handled by anyone who knew of Covenant and the ring, but most of all not by Linden: not only had she learned that Covenant's ring was the only thing that could oppose Foul ( and therefore the idea of his surrendering the ring to him would both scare her and anger her, as it did when Kevin told her ), but most of all, if he had told her he was actually hoping to die, that only by dying he could save the Land - well, she loved him after all, and she was a doctor, thus it was difficult for her to accept someone actually seeking death, even to save the Land. Until TC was killed by Foul, she never stopped hoping they could come back to their bodies in time for her to treat his wound before he died ( in The One Tree, she tells Covenant she could save him, if his spirit were to return to his body so as to fight for life ); so how would she have reacted if she had learned that Covenant was hoping to die at Foul's hand? I doubt she was prepared to accept that.

I think Covenant didn't tell her his plan simply because he didn't want to make her suffer more ( by knowing he was going to die and by knowing she was unable to prevent that; but also by knowing he was taking a huge gamble in that if Foul didn't kill him before breaking the Arch of Time, the Land would be destroyed and everyone with it ), and also because he knew she still hoped for him to survive and didn't want to crush her hopes and risk turning her to despair ( which would have served Foul's work in that she had the ability to possess Covenant, if she so desired, and if she used it to prevent Covenant's death or surrendering the white gold ring, Foul would have won, and she might have turned to his side, driven by despair, after realizing her violation of Covenant's free will ).
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Post by Revan »

Very good post Xar!

I thought it was kinda sad that she never stopped hoping she could help him... and unable to accept the fact that he was going to die...

But I don't consider it Linden's full fault at what she did.
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I think this might tie into the other thread, about all the lack of information that was provided by the Dead.

The answer (or at least my take on it)? Heisenburg Uncertainty. The more you know about one aspect of an object, the less you know about the rest. For example, if there's a particle speeding along, the more you know about its velocity (speed, direction), the less you can tell about its precise location. And vice versa.

So in this case, I think that the more the characters knew about what course they needed to take, the less likely it would be for them to reach their intended destination. And if they knew the exact destination, they wouldn't be assured of taking the correct course to get there.

Is that convoluted enough for a non-explanation, or should I take a couple antihistamines and try again when my mind isn't as clear? (the more clear your mind is, the less likely it is that you'll be able to explain your point to others) :-)
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Also, at that point LA hadn't come to her own realization about surrender. She still didn't fully trust herself with power. By driving out the Raver she realized that one act didn't need to poison her entire lifr, and when she possessed TC the last time I think she truly felt his convistion in a way she never had, and because of what she had learned from casting out the Raver, she could love herself enough to love him enough to trust him and let him go.

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