How did Bannor feel about Covenant?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:31 am
I've aways wondered this... How did Bannor fell about Thomas? Did he love him? I mean he was among his dead... Was that because Covenant cared about him? Hmmmm.....
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So Bannor is obligated under the Vow to be ready to kill Covenant--and under obedience to be ready to die for Covenant. This is the first of the many conflicts of Bloodguard loyalty that will come to a head around TC.Left to the dictates of their Vow, the Bloodguard would slay you instantly if you raised your hand against any Lord--yes, against any inhabitant of Revelstone. But the Council of Lords has commanded you to their care. Rather than break that command--rather than permit any harm to befall you--Bannor or any Bloodguard would lay down his life in your defense.
Bannor's experience of Vow-induced survival in the absence of or at the expense of many of the things that make survival valuable mirrors Covenant's experience of the discipline that helps him survive leprosy but removes everything except survival from life. Though Bannor never explicitly says to Covenant the refrain of his descendants in the Second Chronicles, "You are not alone," his entire history and being says that to Covenant. And Covenant hardly knows what to do with it, but can't quite refuse it.In his confusion, he tried to tell himself that what he heard was like the sensitivity of his nerves, further proof of the Land's impossibility. But it did not feel like proof. It moved him as if he had learned that Bannor suffered from a rare form of leprosy.
A redemption he will eventually reciprocate. "Redeem my people. Their plight is an abomination. And they will serve you well."Covenant felt such a surge of relief that he wanted to hug Bannor. After his long lightless ordeal, he felt suddenly rescued, almost redeemed.
I haven't quite figured out just what in the scene before this exchange convinces Bannor that Covenant is worthy of rescue.But his gruff voice belied his emotion. "What the hell took you so long?"
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With startling casualness, Bannor replied that he had landed badly after killing the ur-vile, and had lost consciousness...."The flame of your staff revealed you," he continued. "I chose to follow." ...When he spoke again, his foreign Haruchai tone held a note of final honesty. "I withheld my aid, awaiting proof that you are not a foe of the Lords."
Something in the selfless and casual face that Bannor turned toward death communicated itself to Covenant. He answered without rancor, "You picked a fine time to test me."
"The Bloodguard know doubt. We require to be sure."
Bannor can see, through health-sense, that Covenant now wills to help the quest; this vindicates his decision to rescue him earlier. The act of bridging Covenant's last gap of inaction is one of Bannor's many efforts to insure that Kevin's default is never reenacted.[Covenant's] hand crossed half the distance and stopped, clutched in unfingered impotence at the empty air.
Ah! he cried. Help me!
"We are the Bloodguard." Bannor's voice was almost inaudible..."We cannot permit this end."
Firmly, he took Covenant's hand and placed it on the Staff of Law, midway between Prothall's straining knuckles.
In "The Spoiled Plains" in TPTP (do take a look at Fist and Faith's splendid Dissection of that chapter if you haven't seen it!), Bannor challenges Covenant to the same renunciation of vengeance that Bannor has achieved.Then Covenant felt that he understood. Kevin, he nodded to himself. Of course the Bloodguard wanted to hear this song. How could they be less than keenly interested in anything which might help them to comprehend Kevin Landwaster?
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It was not surprising that the Bloodguard wanted to hear this song--or that Bannor had asked Covenant to come hear it also.
Ah, that eloquent, quintessentially Haruchai shrug!The helplessness of Covenant's pain came out as anger. His own voice shook as he muttered to Bannor, "If you say one word to blame him [Foamfollower], I swear--"
Then he stopped himself. He had accused Bannor unjustly too often in the past; the Bloodguard had long ago earned better treatment than this from him. But Bannor only shrugged.
I could quote the entire remainder of this chapter, but I'll be content with this climactic bit:"...Corruption wears many faces. Blame is a more enticing face than others, but it is none the less a mask for the Despiser."
His speech made Covenant look at him closely. Something came up between them that had never been laid to rest, neither on Gallows Howe nor in the Ramen covert. It wore the aspect of habitual Bloodguard distrust, but as he met Bannor's eyes, Covenant sensed that the issue was a larger one.
Without inflection, Bannor went on: "Hate and vengeance are also masks."
I never read this without something turning over inside...Bannor's hesitation itself makes visible the depth of the bond that he cannot acknowledge any more directly than this.[Bannor is speaking.] "The deepest wish of the Bloodguard was to fight the Despiser in his home, pure service against Corruption. This desire misled. I have put aside such things. My proper place now is with the Ranyhyn and their Ramen, in the exile of the mountains."
Covenant seemed to hear an anguish behind the inflectionless tone of the speech--an anguish that hurt him in the same way that this man always hurt him. "Ah, Bannor," he sighed. "Are you so ashamed of what you were?"
Bannor cocked a white eyebrow at the question, as though it came close to the truth. "I am not shamed," he said distinctl. "But I am saddened that so many centuries were required to teach us the limits of our worth. We went too far, in pride and folly. Mortal men should not give up wives and sleep and death for any service, lest the face of failure become too abhorrent to be endured." He paused almost as if he were hesitating, then concluded, "Have you forgotten that High Lord Elena carved our faces as one in her last marrowmeld work?"
Bannor had moved him. His response was both an assertion and a promise. "I will never forget."
Thank you, Rocksibling! *bows*For a second I thought I was reading a dissection! Heh That (Durris) was a foine foine way to answer the inital question. At first I thought it might've been Fist N Faith but t'was you.
I've never understood this. Why are the Bloodguard taking orders from the Lords? They aren't hired help. They didn't ask Kevin if he wanted their service. They didn't ask how their intent could best be served, and, in fact, I think their methods are sometimes counterproductive to keeping the Lords alive. So how come they're being commanded? I think the relationship that the Bloodguard set up when they took the Vow is more accurate in TIW, War Council, when Elena said:Durris wrote:So Bannor is obligated under the Vow to be ready to kill Covenant--and under obedience to be ready to die for Covenant. This is the first of the many conflicts of Bloodguard loyalty that will come to a head around TC.Left to the dictates of their Vow, the Bloodguard would slay you instantly if you raised your hand against any Lord--yes, against any inhabitant of Revelstone. But the Council of Lords has commanded you to their care. Rather than break that command--rather than permit any harm to befall you--Bannor or any Bloodguard would lay down his life in your defense.
"Morin, you are the First Mark. You will command the Bloodguard as your Vow requires. Please assign to Warmark Troy every Bloodguard who can be spared from the defense of Revelstone."
Wow, does THAT sum things up!!!Durris wrote:Bannor's experience of Vow-induced survival in the absence of or at the expense of many of the things that make survival valuable mirrors Covenant's experience of the discipline that helps him survive leprosy but removes everything except survival from life.
Yes, the Haruchai are ever difficult to refuse. (Also difficult to live up to, as Linden points out in WGW.)Durris wrote:Though Bannor never explicitly says to Covenant the refrain of his descendants in the Second Chronicles, "You are not alone," his entire history and being says that to Covenant. And Covenant hardly knows what to do with it, but can't quite refuse it.
I think it's just that Bannor needed proof that Covenant was not working with Drool and Foul. He followed, waiting to see if Covenant and Drool would shake hands, laugh, and say, "It's working perfectly!" When that didn't happen, it was showtime!!Durris wrote:I haven't quite figured out just what in the scene before this exchange convinces Bannor that Covenant is worthy of rescue.But his gruff voice belied his emotion. "What the hell took you so long?"
.......
With startling casualness, Bannor replied that he had landed badly after killing the ur-vile, and had lost consciousness...."The flame of your staff revealed you," he continued. "I chose to follow." ...When he spoke again, his foreign Haruchai tone held a note of final honesty. "I withheld my aid, awaiting proof that you are not a foe of the Lords."
Something in the selfless and casual face that Bannor turned toward death communicated itself to Covenant. He answered without rancor, "You picked a fine time to test me."
"The Bloodguard know doubt. We require to be sure."
Thanks for bringing my favorite chapter to mind again!Durris wrote:In "The Spoiled Plains" in TPTP
Indeed!Durris wrote:Ah, that eloquent, quintessentially Haruchai shrug!But Bannor only shrugged.
I love hearing you talk about this stuff!!Durris wrote:I never read this without something turning over inside...Bannor's hesitation itself makes visible the depth of the bond that he cannot acknowledge any more directly than this.
Nor will I."I will never forget."
If Bannor had any love for Covenant then it would be (imo) the type of love that can be shared between two men, which is nothing more than a deep respect for the other. The type of love that can be shared and expressed between two brothers. Nothing gay or sexual or anything romantically inclined. Just a deep abiding respect. Covenant "defeated" Lord Foul which was more than what anyone else could've done at the time. I'm sure that while the Bloodguard (as a whole) were cheated of the opportunity to "fight Corruption" in person, the fact that this guy, a stranger to the Land and one who continually said he didn't believe in it, ended up defeating Foul, the Bloodguard definitely had to respect the man.Darth Revan wrote: But do you think he loved him? As the others of Covenants dead, except Lena and co, did? Foamfoller loved him, So did Mhoram and Elena... but did Bannor... there was recognition between them... sure... but I think no love in the purest sense of the word...
Covenant was warned that it was a good idea that Linden didn't enter Andelain the first time around because she "...would raise grim shades here..." obviously meaningMhoram was my friend. Elena loved me. Bannor protected me. But Foamfollower made the difference." (thanks to dlbpharmd replying to a different post)
Very well said.Seafoam Understone wrote:I'm sure that while the Bloodguard (as a whole) were cheated of the opportunity to "fight Corruption" in person, the fact that this guy, a stranger to the Land and one who continually said he didn't believe in it, ended up defeating Foul, the Bloodguard definitely had to respect the man.
Yeah, I agree.Seafoam Understone wrote:I dunno if the dead of Andelain were exactly representatives of those who "loved" Covenant but more so rather of those who meant the most to him.
Oh man, that's a scary undertaking!! I can't imagine doing the initial post, as Durris did here!Seafoam Understone wrote:So are we gonna have a dissection of each character's interaction with Covenant? Huh? Are we? Huh? Huh?![]()
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And Fist and Faith wrote:If Bannor had any love for Covenant then it would be (imo) the type of love that can be shared between two men, which is nothing more than a deep respect for the other. The type of love that can be shared and expressed between two brothers. Nothing gay or sexual or anything romantically inclined. Just a deep abiding respect.
Ahhh, the limitations of language.I have not had such a relationship myself, but I believe there can be non-sexual/romantic love between two men that is more than a deep respect. I imagine there are friends that would die for each other, and I don't see that being the result of nothing more than deep respect.