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Book 1 of the Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

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Hi friends!

I actually posted this same thread a week or two ago, but shortly after my post the forums died and a whole bunch of stuff was lost including my post.
ANYWAYS, I, like everyone here, am a huge freakin fan of SRD's work, especially in regard to the Thomas Covenant chronicles.
The first two trilogy's are amazing.

Is the third going to be? (It's a stupid question, forgive me!)

The point is, can you people provide some reviews/ratings for Runes of the Earth? I'd really love to hear some critique of the book and how SRD has brought everything together thus far.

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I don't think I'm going to make it to October.
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I don't know much about books, but I know what I like, and I liked "Runes of the Earth" very much.

I guess what attracted me to TCTC in the first place was the strength of Donaldson's characters, and the amazing characterization (for lack of a better term) of the Land. Has anybody here read "The Wheel of Time"? There are dozens of characters in this series, but I could never remember one from the other. Donaldson's characters are unforgettable, even the bit players. Who can forget Pietten, the unfettered one who heals TC, or the sur-jeherrin?

These features are present in "Runes", along with a rip-roaring story, new villians, unanswered questions, references to the first two Chronicles, and a cliffhanger ending that will have fans cursing the length of time before the second installment comes out.

In short, I think the book is a worthy successor to the first two chronicles, and that is extreme praise, as IMHO the Chronicles are the finest high fantasy series ever written (take that, Tolkien fans!) :lol:

I am sure there will be readers who will be disappointed because the book does not conform to their idea about where the story of TC should go, and because expectations are so high given the interval between the Second Chronicles and the Final Chronicles. But I am giving it 2 thumbs up....way up!

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I happened to be fortunate enough to have an Advanced Readers Copy of Runes of the Earth (signed by SRD no less)
I am a slow reader, so I am only half-way through the book at this point, but I think it is safe to say that you Covenant fans will not be disappointed. The language, "feel", and storyline have both pleased me in their consistantancy with the previous six books and in the new plot twists I can already see unfolding. The ONLY draw back is the fact that we will have to wait another 8 or 9 years for the fourth and final book. - I for one will be re-reading (for the 4th or 5th time) the Gap series in the interum.
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I have an ARC as well. (Thanks to Creator!!! :D )

I think this new book rules... there's only two things I didn't like about it:

1) Thomas' lack of apperacnce, that's just really made me angry :-x

2) Linden's arrogance she sometimes seems to have...
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I've only read the Covenant Chronicles once through. And I found Linden arrogant in the 6th book so I'm not surprised she would be even more so in the Runes. But that is one of the things that make this such an astounding story. The primary characters are ones you both hate and love. Their growth is slow and painful, but indisputable. I, for one, am eager to see how Linden will evolve.
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Is it out in the US?

Or, are you guys reading ARC's only?

I thought the release was sometime in October.
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We've reading ARC's, it's like a clique! ;)
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Hello. New here. I read RotE a couple of weeks ago courtesy of a friend who had an advanced copy and I still don't know what to think of it.

I think I've figured out at least some of the meta-plot but I'm not sure where the appropriate place to discuss it is. People seem rather spoiler averse in spite of the forum title and this would be the mummy and daddy of all spoilers. What's the etiquette?
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OK I get it. You use this black spoiler thing, right?

I have to say I did enjoy RotE tremendously and read it in two sittings like I was 10 years old again, but question 1...
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...how dumb is Linden Avery? Doesn't she realise that what she did to get her hands on the artifact she needed has got to now lead directly and retroactively to Lord Foul's rapid resurrection and domination of the land? It's not like the Haruchai didn't spell out in detail what would happen if she pursued that course. Her crime makes Covenant's rape seem a minor misjudgement by comparison. I would expect that the same act has made possible that which happened in the last page of the book.

Her misjudgement stems from her main problem as a character. As a figure of law and earthpower she's a bit predictable and boring, and not really fit to wield chaos bringing wild magic. The author alludes to this flaw continuously throughout the book. 'Do something unexpected, Linden' she imagines her mentor begging. She's just no match for Lord Foul, and her desparation just makes it worse. She blunders into his every trap no matter how transparent. In the end she'll have to give the ring up to someone better qualified to use it.
That said, how unexpected that the return to the Land could prove to combine the best features of the previous two books with so much ingenuity, originality and fine writing. The author deserves congratulation. My one criticism is that this felt a bit more like prologue than the first books of the other chronicles. So much was set up, and little was resolved or even clarified. That may not be a problem when you read the quartet as a whole but it left me a little more impatient for the next instalment than I thought I would be.
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That said, how unexpected that the return to the Land could prove to combine the best features of the previous two books with so much ingenuity, originality and fine writing. The author deserves congratulation. My one criticism is that this felt a bit more like prologue than the first books of the other chronicles. So much was set up, and little was resolved or even clarified. That may not be a problem when you read the quartet as a whole but it left me a little more impatient for the next instalment than I thought I would be.
Ahhhh now I definitely can't wait. But I will have to.
I'm so tempted to go through your spoiler text, but I must resist...
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By the way, how did so many of you manage to score ARC's?
It's also funny that people find Linden's arrogance annoying, because I can also remember feeling that way.
In the first chronicles, I hated Covenant until sometime towards the end when he stopped being such a prick and then in the second chronicles, he was my hero and Avery was a mean ball-breaker.
I guess what attracted me to TCTC in the first place was the strength of Donaldson's characters, and the amazing characterization
This is on the money.
I'm re-reading the second chronicles at the moment, and every character is so vibrant and real. The selfless rescue from the sur-jheherrin and the subsequent redemption of the giants at the Grieve, is one of my favourite parts of the series. Amazing characters.

How are we going to get through almost a decade without the whole new story? Eep.
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yes, I agree Linden is very predictable... and she is kinda boring... but the one thing i love about her is her love and loyalty to Thomas Covenant... I've always loved the love story between the two... Though I won't deny that she annoyed me at times in this book.
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and FOUL language!! Linden swears like a sailor (well ... maybe not that bad). Most incondign in the Land!!
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I resemble that remark.
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Creator wrote:
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and FOUL language!! Linden swears like a sailor (well ... maybe not that bad). Most incondign in the Land!!
Not surprising. There was no language worse than 'hellfire' in any of SRD's books for Del Rey, but as soon as he jumped to Bantam he pulled out all the stops. (Is there any clean language in The Gap?) :wink:

Lester and Judy-Lynn del Rey had the reputation of being extremely puritanical, figuring that all their books were going to be read by nothing but innocent wee kiddies. Jack Chalker once told me a story about one of his experiences being edited by the Del Reys:

He wrote a book including this passage, with language just barely rude enough that I'll spoiler it out here:
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'Some people would have been shocked. Some would have been disgusted. Nathan Brazil had a hardon.'
(I defy anyone to find a word in there that would bring a blush to the cheek of their dear old maiden aunt.)

The Del Reys changed this to 'Nathan Brazil was aroused.'

Seeing the change in the corrected manuscript, Chalker changed it back.

The Del Reys ordered the copyeditors to change it again.

Seeing the change in the galleys, Chalker changed it back.

The Del Reys ordered the typesetters to change it again.

Seeing the change in the page proofs, Chalker changed it back.

When the book appeared in print, the Del Reys had changed it again. It said 'Nathan Brazil was aroused' . . . and at no time had the author approved this change. That can be legal, depending on the details of the author's and publisher's contract, but it's considered pretty sharp practice.

About this time, Chalker got fed up with Del Rey, particularly because they were paying him the same small advance book after book, though his sales were steadily rising. Unfortunately, they had an open-ended option clause in his contract, allowing them to buy each new book on the same terms as the last one. His only way out was to get them to reject a book.

He tried asking to be released from the option. They refused.

He wrote the worst book he could think of. They accepted it and swallowed the loss, just to keep the option clause going.

Then inspiration struck. He wrote the most disgusting, perverted, depraved book of hard-core pornography that he could dig up out of the sewers of his brain. If you took out all the sex and foul language, there would be literally no book at all. (I gather that it was several degrees worse than The Real Story in this respect.)

The Del Reys rejected it, and Chalker was free to sell to another publisher. His income soared, beginning with his very next book.

So if Linden is cussing like a sailor in Runes, she's just doing as comes natural. She would have talked like that all along if it hadn't been for her editorial chaperone.
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very good post Variol. :)

I wonder what "hellfire" would have been if SRD used another publisher...
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Well, I would say it was one of those rare cases when censorship was actually beneficial. Covenant saying coventional four letter worlds insteadohóf "hellfire and damnation" would be differentó, and códecidedly less interesting character. And Linden cursing like a sailor? I don't think I like the idea very much.
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And Linden cursing like a sailor? I don't think I like the idea very much.
I must have missed all that. I don't recall any particular bad language on her part, but then I tend to ignore such things anyway.

For me the main problem with Linden Avery is and always has been that she isn't Thomas Covenant. Covenant gave a post-modern twist to the whole fantasy genre by being someone who didn't approve of fantasy and took his disapproval to extremes by behaving in a pretty appalling way, while maintaining his own peculiar moral stance.

Linden Avery doesn't do those things. In the previous chronicles she fullfilled the role of innocent newcomer and fresh observer of Covenant. In the new book
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her role seems to be to make a total mess of things and be wrong about just about everything. Even to do this though she still needs Covenant as a counterpoint but Covenant doesn't perform that role at all.
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Darth Revan wrote:very good post Variol. :)

I wonder what "hellfire" would have been if SRD used another publisher...
I kinda like "Hellfire" .... and " Bloody Damnation!!!"

Also, Space Pirates (GAP) are supposed to swear like sailors!! "High Fantasy" seems to be different!
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native wrote:
And Linden cursing like a sailor? I don't think I like the idea very much.
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I must have missed all that. I don't recall any particular bad language on her part, but then I tend to ignore such things anyway.....
Well, it wasn't horrible ... she seems fond of saying
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sh*t
I know, I know not terrible at all ... but still not the type of "High Language" Covenant would have used!!!
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Runes is not a good beginning to this new series, but therein lies the problem more than likely. Nothing happens in this first book. There is a minor quest, but there is no real villain once Linden steps into the Land. I found the story boring for a book, and I have had to constantly keep reminding myself that it is only 1/4 of a story. This part, I will just have to wait and see.

But the worst part of the book was the writing. Donaldson has changed as a writer ALOT since 2nd Chronicles was released. If you go and compare WGW to RotE... well... there really is no way to compare the two. They are apples and oranges. Whereas the first two chronicles were rich and vibrant in language, bringing the characters and the Land to life, Donaldson has now after 20 years decided that less words is more. But he has come out of writing first person mystery stories, and that writing has really effected RotE in a very bad way. I felt as if I were being preached to rather than being able to immerse myself into the story.

What's sad about this fact is he knows what he is doing. He admits in the new issue of Locus Magazine that upon re-reading the first six books in preparation for the Last Chronicles, Donaldson realized that he isn't that wonderful writer anymore. Right after this realization, however, he rationalized that he has merely changed as a writer and he now is only interested in characters and conflict. This is almost verbatum from the article.

Now this isn't good. Why? Because the Land IS a character in the first two chronicles. That character is completely absent in this new book.
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As is Covenant.


I am a huge fan of the first two chronicles, so much so I actually wear a white gold band on my right hand with the word BELIEVE inscribed on the inside. But this new book shook my belief in Donaldson's ability to wrap up the story as strong as he entered it. I guess time will tell. I pray I get to eat my words.

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