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Could Vain have been taken over by a Raver??

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*shrugs*

I think not, if there was such a possibility the Ravers would likely have taken advantage of it.
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Did they know about Vain?
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Ravers occupy living creatures, but Vain wasn't alive.
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wasn't alive?
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When Linden looked at him in tWL, she said he wasn't alive - he looked like an inanimate object to her health-sense.
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yeah, he was created by the...whichever of them little things made him...to fulfull a certain purpose, so....no life for him
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I think that a Raver could have possessed Vain as much as
the Elohim can capture and contain him.
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The Haruchai could not be possesed, neither could the giants (without the help of the Illearth stone), Near the end of WGW Linden fought it off, and the way I read it Mhoram fought it off on his trip to Fouls Creche. This show us that the Ravers are not all powerfull, and they need someone/something who has a weaker will..like most humans, and animals.
Although (according to legand) the Demondim were possesed, the Whynim nor the ur-viles were ever possessed, it might be in the in-bred lore. Therefore I beleive it would be impossible for it to happen.
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the Whynim nor the ur-viles were ever possessed
In the example you gave of Mhoram's trip to Foul's Creche, it was a Raver that was controlling the ur-vile that touched Mhoram.
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Vain wasn't alive per se as a person is alive. He was a tool created by the Urviles to become part of the Staff of Law.
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Post by drew »

dlbpharmd wrote:
the Whynim nor the ur-viles were ever possessed
In the example you gave of Mhoram's trip to Foul's Creche, it was a Raver that was controlling the ur-vile that touched Mhoram.

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Raver can control an Ur-vile, Ur-Vile created Vain, therefore, Vain should be able to be controlled by a Raver.

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Raver can control an Ur-vile, Ur-Vile created Vain, therefore, Vain should be able to be controlled by a Raver.
Um... wrong. The fact that Ur-viles could be posessed makes no difference, the key point is that Vain was not alive.
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Ur-viles are alive, even though they were made and not born. I believe Hamako talks about this when he's explaining the Weird to TC in TWL.

Vain is not alive. I don't think the Ravers could take him.
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Vain is immune to everything else, so why not ravers? I took it as a given that they could not touch him. You would sure hope they wouldn't be able to possess one half of the future staff of law :P
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Lord Doom wrote:Raver can control an Ur-vile, Ur-Vile created Vain, therefore, Vain should be able to be controlled by a Raver.

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Giants created Revelstone, Raver can control a Giant (with the aid of the Stone), therefore Revelstone can be controlled by a Raver.

Vain, like Revelstone, is effectively an inanimate object. He acts, not from conscious will, but from mechanical purpose.
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dlbpharmd wrote:
the Whynim nor the ur-viles were ever possessed
In the example you gave of Mhoram's trip to Foul's Creche, it was a Raver that was controlling the ur-vile that touched Mhoram.
True, but that Raver may have taken over the ur-vile loremaster with assistance from the Illearth Stone.
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Hey, thanks for the back-up MR K :D


I imagine that if Vain could have been Ravered, then he would have been possesed. There was a few opportunaties, like when the eels attacked at sea, or the two times he was at Revelstone.
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MrKABC wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
the Whynim nor the ur-viles were ever possessed
In the example you gave of Mhoram's trip to Foul's Creche, it was a Raver that was controlling the ur-vile that touched Mhoram.
True, but that Raver may have taken over the ur-vile loremaster with assistance from the Illearth Stone.
There is no evidence of the Illearth Stone's involvement in this scene.
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