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Ur-Viles Creation
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:43 am
by balon!
Ok, so we all know that the ur-Viles were made by the Demodim, but what I noticed this time around in The Illearth War, is this:
"With this he (Loric) slew the Demodim guise of moksha Raver, and delivered the Land from the first great peril of the ur-Viles.
Does this classify that Demodim WERENT the ones that made the ur-viles, at least not entirely?
Moksha HAD to have had hand in it right?
If a Raver was present in the body of a Demodim at the FIRST battle and with the FIRST set of Ur-Viles, doesn't this just seem to much of a Cooikidink?
Help enlighten this one guys and gals.
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:57 am
by Grimmand Honninscrave
This is a referance to Moksha in the body of an ur-Vile. Ravers have no body of there own so they must enter the bodies of living beings to have a form. I beleave the Demodim are said to have created the ur-Viles. Ravers don't create anything but a bad time for all involved. They are not makers but destroyers.
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:14 am
by balon!
No, no not what i meant at ALL. I meant that moksha THROUGH the body of the Demodim could have had a part in the creation of Ur-Viles, i mean, what better to create ur-viles than a RAVER?
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:37 am
by Grimmand Honninscrave
Ohh, My bad.
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:36 am
by dlbpharmd
I can't remember where this is, but somewhere it says that moksha led either the Viles or the Demondim to their breeding dens, and that is how the ur-viles were formed.
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:44 pm
by balon!
So he. . . .uhh it? Had a hand in the creation most definatley?
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:41 pm
by Encryptic
dlbpharmd wrote:I can't remember where this is, but somewhere it says that moksha led either the Viles or the Demondim to their breeding dens, and that is how the ur-viles were formed.
Yup. I remember that passage pretty clearly and it was said that
moksha lured the "powerful and austere Demondim to their breeding dens and the first spawning of ur-viles".
I guess the idea is that the Demondim were the actual creators of the ur-viles but it was
moksha's influence that caused them to do it in the first place.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:22 pm
by High Lord Tolkien
Balon wrote:So he. . . .uhh it? Had a hand in the creation most definatley?
oops!
Thanks Murrin.
Sometimes I forget where I am!
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:34 pm
by I'm Murrin
Spoilers, HLT. You're in the wrong forum to be discussing some of that...