I was thinking that there should be evidence within the previous chronicles of time travelling events. Things that don't make sense except if the law of time were breached. Caesures even.
Top of my list is Sandgorgon's Doom. The Sandgorgons either run very fast or the doom released them prior to their name being spoken. And the gyre described sounds not unlike a caesure - albiet an imperfect one to reflect the use of imperfect gold in its making.
The Ranyhm obviously can see the future enough to obey summoms' and can navigate causality in a way that breaches the laws of time.
Seers and prophets. Various Lords had the capacity to see the future.
Knowledge of the Illearth Stone - even though it doesn't seem to have been found prior to Drool Rockworm.
The Dead - Mhoram and co seemed to have read the final chapter when they met Covenant in Andelain. But perhaps the were just well informed.
Caesures I have known
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Re: Caesures I have known
I doubt Kasreyn could create caesures; in another thread we discussed the means by which the Sandgorgons get to their targets so fast, and I put out the theory that they actually can "warp" space so as to "cut" through the intervening space. I think we almost surely ruled out the possibility for the Sandgorgons to hear the call before it's uttered (also because the magic of the Sandgorgons' Doom cannot work the same way, so technically it cannot open the way before the name is spoken).native wrote:Top of my list is Sandgorgon's Doom. The Sandgorgons either run very fast or the doom released them prior to their name being spoken. And the gyre described sounds not unlike a caesure - albiet an imperfect one to reflect the use of imperfect gold in its making.
Not necessarily; the Law of Time states that actions proceed in a linear fashion and that nothing you do can be undone; but foresight breaches neither of these strictures, so it follows that foresight doesn't breach the Law of Time.native wrote:The Ranyhm obviously can see the future enough to obey summoms' and can navigate causality in a way that breaches the laws of time.
Seers and prophets. Various Lords had the capacity to see the future.
The Dead - Mhoram and co seemed to have read the final chapter when they met Covenant in Andelain. But perhaps the were just well informed.
The Viles were powerful in their lore, which they passed down to the Demondim and the ur-viles... knowledge of the Illearth Stone doesn't require a caesure by itself, no more than detecting radioactivity in a mine requires foresight in the real world, I suspect. The Stone had powerful effects on the surrounding areas: look at what happened in Stonemight Stonedown during the SC as a consequence of being the place where a single flake of the Illearth Stone was kept.native wrote:Knowledge of the Illearth Stone - even though it doesn't seem to have been found prior to Drool Rockworm.
In the FC IMO the Ranyhn seemed to actually run the distance rather than be caesured there.
Such as Mhormas Ranyhyn called the Revelstone and comes there IIRC ragged and skinny after running infront of the opposing army for leagues.
Such as Mhormas Ranyhyn called the Revelstone and comes there IIRC ragged and skinny after running infront of the opposing army for leagues.
But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
It was the knowledge itself that I ws thinking of. To know the future is to alter it which suggests to me that causality is not pristine.Warmark wrote:In the FC IMO the Ranyhn seemed to actually run the distance rather than be caesured there.
Caesures are made by White Gold. Kasreyn wanted the White Gold so that he could make perfect versions of that which otherwise had to have a built in imperfection in it when made by his yellow gold. The Sandgorgons' Doom was given as an explicit example of his imperfect creating. Suggests to me that Kasreyn could do with the yellow gold many of the things that white gold could do, only imperfectly. Like make an imperfect caesure. Whether the Doom was a caesure or not remains to be seen, but it sure sounds like one to me.Xar wrote: I doubt Kasreyn could create caesures
God these time discussions are tricky. If an event is undone by forsight, how would you even know it happened? It would have happened (but never did) but for the intervention in the same way that the Wanyhim would all have died (but never did) but for Linden's intervention in the past. I guess you can make up whatever rules you like as the Law of Time is subject to the Law of Fiction in this caseXar wrote: the Law of Time states that actions proceed in a linear fashion and that nothing you do can be undone; but foresight breaches neither of these strictures, so it follows that foresight doesn't breach the Law of Time.
But if we wantd to be 'Laws of Physics' about it then you'd have to say that matter and information are treated the same way in relativity theory.Interesting idea- could Linden travel to the land with a copy of all the horse racing results for 1980, then go back in time through a caesure to the time of Mhoram, and then return home to emerge in the late 1970's?