Grumble About Daylight Saving Time

Post by **michaelm** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:07 pm

sgt.null wrote:dst and the partial school year for children are hangovers of our agrarian roots and should be abolished.

I think it's a fallacy that it has agrarian roots though. I thought it started in Germany during WWI (with other countries following) with the intent of preserving coal for the war industry as the daylight changes would prevent people from using as much coal in their homes?

Post by **Orlion** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:42 pm

michaelm wrote:
sgt.null wrote:dst and the partial school year for children are hangovers of our agrarian roots and should be abolished.
I think it's a fallacy that it has agrarian roots though. I thought it started in Germany during WWI (with other countries following) with the intent of preserving coal for the war industry as the daylight changes would prevent people from using as much coal in their homes?

For daylights saving, yes... though I don't know about the partial school year.

I will say this: field workers I've known loved daylight savings.

Post by **MsMary** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:34 am

Isn't it time to bump this?

Post by **Sorus** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:17 pm

*grumble*

Cats now want their breakfast at 2:30AM. They're certain that this is a human conspiracy to starve them, and they're not above sticking a claw up my nose at the aforementioned hour to ensure a timely feeding.

*grumble*

Post by **Savor Dam** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:33 pm

Fred has been the same way the last couple mornings, emphatic that his breakfast is late, progressing from a polite "Mao?" to more extreme escalations.

Odd how they never expect meals times to change when DST starts...

Post by **MsMary** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:50 am

That is odd.

Post by **Avatar** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:29 am

Told you it was imaginary.

--A

Post by **Cheval** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:58 pm

I like the earlier night time hours, since I like the darkness anyway.
I used to work the hours from 4:00pm to midnight, or sometimes until 1:00 or 2:00 am.
The only thing I missed then was going to the bars with friends when they headed out about 8:00 or 9:00 at night.
But I would catch up with them a few hours before Last-Call and got to see how silly-ass drunk they were.

Post by **Avatar** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:39 am

I used to be a night person, but after years of getting up early, I'm now a morning person.

--A

Post by **sgt.null** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:03 pm

back on day shift, so my late nights are over. except when drinking and listening to music on my days off.

Post by **MsMary** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:00 pm

I hate losing an hour of sleep.

And it doesn't help that I slept poorly on the night I was losing that hour of sleep.

Post by **Sorus** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:45 pm

An hour of sleep and an hour of my precioussss weekend.

KW's clock hasn't acknowledged the change. Can I declare myself on Land Time and opt out of participating?

Post by **Linna Heartbooger** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:55 am

'FraId not... pretend it didn't happen?

Except like... adjust your clocks first.

Nope, pretty sure that still doesn't help.

I hate missing sleep..

Post by **Avatar** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:49 am

KW's clock is GMT. No daylight savings there. For me it has always highlighted the imaginary nature of time.

We don't have it in this country.

--A

Post by **wayfriend** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:31 pm

Your profile specifies your time zone in a rather primitive way, and there's no allowance for daylight savings time.

Also:

Grumble!

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:17 pm

michaelm wrote:
sgt.null wrote:dst and the partial school year for children are hangovers of our agrarian roots and should be abolished.
I think it's a fallacy that it has agrarian roots though. I thought it started in Germany during WWI (with other countries following) with the intent of preserving coal for the war industry as the daylight changes would prevent people from using as much coal in their homes?

Articles summarizing both the rationale and history of implementing daylight saving time. Widespread use, even in the United States, has really only been around in its latest form since the 1970s.

Claims that DST result in energy savings are not typically supported by observed energy use patterns. So many people these days work second- or third-shift jobs and/or keep non-agrarian hours that the extra hour of daylight means nothing. As far as people's claims that they don't like taking their children to school in the dark....well, the only times we ever wound up taking the kids to school in the dark were when dark storm clouds were around in the morning, necessitating the use of the headlights on the car. It isn't like schools are out in the middle of nowhere, with no lights around so I typically dismiss such claims as nonsense.

There is some evidence that DST potentially leads to increases in heart risks and higher stress levels due to disruption of circadian rhythms, but I think those apply only to people who already have increased risks.

I would do away with the system altogether--although the effort required to adjust clocks is minimal it is still annoying. I would opt out of it, myself, and ignore the change except for one minor detail--my employer does not opt out and would not take kindly to me waltzing in to work an hour "late". Probably when I retire--or become self-employed, which is doubtful at this point--I will ignore DST and not adjust my clocks.

Post by **Sorus** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:43 pm

I'm a morning person by nature, and I wouldn't actually mind if my boss told me to start coming in an hour early. With that in mind, I tried to fool my brain into seeing it as a positive thing. Nope. It took me forever to fall asleep last night, and then I had an excruciatingly long nightmare about being late for work. I think I'm just too in tune with my circadian rhythm or whatever that my mind knows what time it really is and isn't buying this crap.

Post by **Avatar** » Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:32 am

--A

Post by **Linna Heartbooger** » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:10 pm

yesterday, we were trying to call someone in a different time zone, and at some point we realized that they didn't have DST. (so we should call an hour off from our usual time.)
my friend was like "sooo many time zones. including one phantom time zone."
"a phantom time zone": great descrip of DST?

Sorus wrote:...It took me forever to fall asleep last night, and then I had an excruciatingly long nightmare about being late for work. I think I'm just too in tune with my circadian rhythm or whatever that my mind knows what time it really is and isn't buying this crap.

I had a long, ridiculous nightmare about being late to work a couple of weeks ago!
including but not limited to the toilet overflowing after I already knew I was gonna be late.. (and I was -not- just leaving that problem w/out dealing with it.)

but the not falling to sleep... boo.
no, actually, let's upgrade that to "yuck."

hashi wrote:Probably when I retire--or become self-employed, which is doubtful at this point--I will ignore DST and not adjust my clocks.

now that is an option I've never considered...
..in spite of the fact that my family is determined about doing various things differently from "what everyone does" (i.e. avoiding having cell phones) even if it makes our interaction w/ the outside world a bit awkward.

Post by **aliantha** » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:08 pm

Is it too late to join in the general grumbling?

*grumble*

I didn't go to bed when I was supposed to Saturday night. That wasn't a problem Sunday, as I had nowhere to be. But then I also didn't go to bed when I was supposed to Sunday night. Which meant I nodded off at my desk several times yesterday, and was in bed by about 10 last night. Feeling halfway decent today so far.

Time changes didn't used to bother me. Getting old sucks, I tell you.

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Grumble About Daylight Saving Time