For those that love Linden Avery

Post by **hierachy** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:15 pm

talk about delayed reactions...

Post by **Revan** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:54 am

I was looking through the forum... That's all. Leave me alone.

Post by **Skyweir** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:43 am

caamora wrote:I love her because she loves Covenant. She is unafraid of his disease and of him when everyone else in our world is.

I have to agree with Jay .. I never hated her per se

Like Caam I loved that she loved TC .. but she had a nack of irritating the heck out of me

I hated the way she dealt with Cail .. <think it was Cail> well the haruchai she tried to kill .. and I hated the way she told off Foamy!!

but then I guess to be honest - she was no more irritating than TC was in LFB & IEW .. oh and i hated that she so easily dismissed TC's broken body on the stone slab .. even though I know that she loved TC ..

Yes she healed the Land .. and yes she had her good points .. and I liked her for all her good ..

I thin the whole suffocating her mother was totally disturbing .. notwithstanding her mothers abject neglect!

Post by **Revan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:41 am

Her mother deserved it. That and more.

Post by **amanibhavam** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:12 am

I wonder how you'd perform lying in a hospital with a melanoma, after a frustrated life with nothing but failures.

(Have you seen anybody die of melanoma? I did. She was my own 14-year old patient. It's a death I wouldn't wish for my worst enemies.)

Post by **Revan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:17 am

amanibhavam wrote:I wonder how you'd perform lying in a hospital with a melanoma, after a frustrated life with nothing but failures.

(Have you seen anybody die of melanoma? I did. She was my own 14-year old patient. It's a death I wouldn't wish for my worst enemies.)

I'm not too familiar with melanoma... What is it?

Post by **amanibhavam** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:21 am

It's a malignant tumour originating from the pigment cells of the skin (like moles). Very malignant, once it has spread there is virtually no way to cure it.

Post by **Revan** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:22 am

Doesn't change the fact that Lindens mom was a complete bitch.

Post by **Mystikan** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:53 am

Linden Avery seems to me to be a contrast to Covenant in terms of people who feel alienated and outcast from society. Covenant was alienated by those around him who feared and hated his leprosy, and he dealt with that rejection as best he could - by suppressing his feelings and imposing strict self-discipline in the form of his VSE, medication, shaving with knives. Linden, on the other hand, was never rejected by others - she chose to alienate herself based on her own perceptions of what she'd done to her mother. This is a very interesting examination of how different people come to feel isolated and rejected from society. Both Linden and Covenant come to terms with who they are in essentially the same way, but from opposite directions, so to speak. Covenant was cut off from society by society, while Linden was cut off from herself by herself. Covenant finds his final role as protector of the Arch of Time (in sacrificing his soul to a society - the people of the Land), while Linden finally gives her soul back to herself by absorbing the Sunbane and through it recognising that good and evil are both natural parts of human nature. It's a wonderful theme, and for various reasons I can indentify deeply with both characters.

I might add at this juncture, that while a movie of the TCTC books would be interesting, I really wouldn't want to see it happen because of all the crass commercialism, merchandising and cross-promotions that would inevitably follow and debase the deep meanings of the books. Look at the desecration of LOTR as Tinseltown milked the cash cow for all it was worth. I'd hate to see such commodification happen to TC!

Post by **Revan** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:20 pm

Excellent post Mystikan.

I forsee you will be a great member on this site.

Post by **aliantha** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:20 pm

Yeah, good stuff, Mystikan! Be welcome, welcome and true!

Post by **Durris** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:23 pm

Mystikan, I look forward to more insightful posts like this one!!

Mystikan wrote:Covenant was alienated by those around him who feared and hated his leprosy, and he dealt with that rejection as best he could - by suppressing his feelings and imposing strict self-discipline in the form of his VSE, medication, shaving with knives. Linden, on the other hand, was never rejected by others - she chose to alienate herself based on her own perceptions of what she'd done to her mother.

Both Covenant and Linden consider themselves "marked" (not quite as in the Mark of Cain, but close enough, maybe?). Covenant's marked status has been imposed on him from outside, over his utmost protests. Linden's not only has been self-inflicted, but isn't even visible to the rest of the world: remember how mystified her new boss was that she'd voluntarily chosen small-town general practice, and how she was not about to tell him that it was a penance.

I find it interesting that in The One Tree Covenant's and Linden's growing intimacy forces them each up against the edge of their alienations and makes them deal with "being marked" differently than they have previously. Also, the actual or perceived judgment of the Haruchai externalizes Covenant's self-judgment in the First Chronicles and Linden's self-judgment in the Second Chronicles.

Post by **matrixman** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:04 am

Excellent insight on Covenant and Linden, Mystikan and Durris!

Durris on a non-Haruchai thread? Whoa! (Quickly looks out window, sees pigs fly--no, wait, it's only Nav...)

Post by **Durris** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:42 am

Matrixman wrote:Durris on a non-Haruchai thread? Whoa! (Quickly looks out window, sees pigs fly--no, wait, it's only Nav...)

ROFLMAO!

It's a Haruchai Invasion! The march on Revelstone was just a dress rehearsal! Run for the lowlands...

Post by **Revan** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:17 am

Post by **Iryssa** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:59 am

Ok, again, reviving an old thread...but had to comment...
I do love Linden...seriously, how human she is...she tries to be so stoic, and in her trying is not at all stoic (I hope that makes sense to someone besides myself)...and all those moments when she forgets to try, too....ok, I'm being really general, but I think you guys know what I mean.
And her love for Covenant *sigh* Ok, not trying to be girly, but their whole romance was so moving...and by moving, I mean in every direction *grin*

Post by **Durris** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:35 pm

I'm with you, Iryssa. Watching Covenant and Linden walk through the broken glass of their histories toward each other was quite an experience.

Covenant to Linden:

"If I could've believed you were going to say that, I would've told Cail to bring us some blankets."

But the safe gutrock of Revelstone enclosed them with solace, and they did not need blankets.

*blink*

Post by **Revan** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:09 am

I know I might sound like a wuss

But I loved their whole love story too. It was so nice to read.

Post by **Iryssa** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:38 am

*kiddie voice* Darth is a wuss! Darth is a wuss! *grin*
Just kidding...every man is allowed to be wus--er, sensitive

Post by **Revan** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:40 am

Iryssa wrote:*kiddie voice* Darth is a wuss! Darth is a wuss! *grin*

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