The longer this drags out, the stronger the case against her will be. I haven't seen anyone here discuss the fact that her IT specialist in the State Dept who handled her server--the same one who pleaded the 5th last year--has been granted immunity from criminal prosecution in order to testify to the FBI. This case is about to break wide open. You don't grant immunity unless crimes have been committed. You don't grant immunity to the small criminals unless you're going after the big criminals. This guy knows exactly how Hillary evaded the legal requirements to handle classified info--a felony--because he was the one helping her do it.Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
The longer this drags out the less likely Hillary is to receive any indictments. If the FBI is going to indict her it needs to do so sooner rather than later.
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Zarathustra,
I'm curious to see what will happen too. However, I suspect you may be overstating this a bit. How much has been thrown at Sec. Clinton that has yet to stick?
We will see. Until we see I doubt it will amount to much but admit I may be wrong.
I'm curious to see what will happen too. However, I suspect you may be overstating this a bit. How much has been thrown at Sec. Clinton that has yet to stick?
We will see. Until we see I doubt it will amount to much but admit I may be wrong.
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She's a Clinton. Nothing's going to come of this.
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If the FBI waits until after the Democratic Convention, at which Clinton will most likely receive the party's nomination, then it will look more like a smear attempt from conservatives and/or Clinton-haters in the FBI rather than the result of an objective law enforcement investigation.
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Look at the results tonight. She's a Clinton; nothing else matters.Cybrweez wrote:Yep, allowing all her brain dead supporters to still love her.
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Not a Clinton though.
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According to the State Department, they cannot find any e-mail messages to/from Bryan Pagliano, the IT staffer hired on at State in 2009 (he left in 2013 when Ms. Clinton left) and who was primarily responsible for managing her private e-mail server, the central focus of this particular controversy.
Let me reiterate that point--they cannot find any e-mail messages either to him or from him...at all...even in the backups of the State Department e-mail servers. Actually, that isn't entirely true--they did find one message he sent in November of 2012 wishing Ms. Clinton a happy birthday...but his e-mail address was redacted in that released bundle, indicating that it came from his private e-mail account and not his State one. That is the only one they can find, though.
So...as an IT professional, in over four years of working at State he never sent or received one e-mail message that passed through their e-mail servers. That, folks, is what we call "impossible". Conclusions? Either he conducted all his correspondence from his own private e-mail address or he went in and managed to permanently erase each and every one of his e-mail messages from that time, even from the backups.
Mr. Pagliano has already been offered immunity from prosecution from Justice.
Let me reiterate that point--they cannot find any e-mail messages either to him or from him...at all...even in the backups of the State Department e-mail servers. Actually, that isn't entirely true--they did find one message he sent in November of 2012 wishing Ms. Clinton a happy birthday...but his e-mail address was redacted in that released bundle, indicating that it came from his private e-mail account and not his State one. That is the only one they can find, though.
So...as an IT professional, in over four years of working at State he never sent or received one e-mail message that passed through their e-mail servers. That, folks, is what we call "impossible". Conclusions? Either he conducted all his correspondence from his own private e-mail address or he went in and managed to permanently erase each and every one of his e-mail messages from that time, even from the backups.
Mr. Pagliano has already been offered immunity from prosecution from Justice.
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Could be easy to remove from the back-ups, depending on how they're made. If they use disk imaging or a RAID array, deleting them on the primary would end up with them backing up a version where they were deleted over the previous one where they were present.
Only an additive backup would prevent that.
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Only an additive backup would prevent that.
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Funny how the exact same thing happened to Lois Lerner's emails......
Funny.
Funny.
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We use RAID and an additive backup, so deletions from the primary do not affect the backup.Hashi Lebwohl wrote:They are probably using RAID. Still, if he scrubbed his messages then that would constitute "tampering with government records" as well as "destruction of government records". No wonder he got his lawyer to bargain for immunity from prosecution.
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Given the politicization of this Justice Department, probably not.
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Whatever system they were using at State, this guy--or someone--managed to scrub all his messages unless he conducted all e-mail correspondence using a third-party account. Even then, though, messages he sent to people's State Department accounts would have been found but this is not the case; thus, he--someone--managed to delete all record of them.Avatar wrote:We use RAID and an additive backup, so deletions from the primary do not affect the backup.
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SerScot wrote:Does anyone still think Sec. Clinton will be indicted?
The donations to her political campaign from people who work for Justice really skews the issue, as well. Congress could always subpeona her, if they wanted to....Cail wrote:Given the politicization of this Justice Department, probably not.
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Once Trump is President, sure she'll be indicted. 
Hillary has been dismissing the investigation of her server by calling it a "security review" over and over in interviews. As in, "It's only a security review." In other words, not a criminal investigation of her personally. But FBI director Comey responded that he doesn't know what that phrase means. It isn't used by the FBI. The FBI investigates crimes. This is a criminal investigation.
Hillary has been dismissing the investigation of her server by calling it a "security review" over and over in interviews. As in, "It's only a security review." In other words, not a criminal investigation of her personally. But FBI director Comey responded that he doesn't know what that phrase means. It isn't used by the FBI. The FBI investigates crimes. This is a criminal investigation.
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People who resort to euphemisms don't want to admit what they are doing, at least not in the commonly-used vernacular. Finding a non-offensive phrase to use in place of what you are actually doing is also a good way to do something which you probably shouldn't be doing--it allows you to justify and/or rationalize what you are doing. The end result of resorting to such misuse of language and failing to state reality for what it is typically winds up being the violation of the rights of a person or group of people.
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The newly released Inspector General's report on Hillary's email server proves that Clinton has been lying about her server for months. Perhaps this is no surprise to many, but now it's official. Smoking gun proof.
Hillary has demonstrably lied about:
The server being permitted by the State Department.
Her claim that she broke no State Dept. rules.
Her claim that she is cooperating and transparent.
While Sec of State, Hillary silenced underlings who raised concerns about her personal email use. During the investigation, numerous members of her inner circle--including Hillary herself--refused to testify to the Inspector General. She failed to comply with the Federal Records Act when she did not surrender all official emails prior to leaving office.
Hillary has demonstrably lied about:
The server being permitted by the State Department.
Her claim that she broke no State Dept. rules.
Her claim that she is cooperating and transparent.
While Sec of State, Hillary silenced underlings who raised concerns about her personal email use. During the investigation, numerous members of her inner circle--including Hillary herself--refused to testify to the Inspector General. She failed to comply with the Federal Records Act when she did not surrender all official emails prior to leaving office.
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