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Welcome to the forum "Madness". Always nice to have new blood.

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Welcome to the Watch Madness. :D Join in wherever you like, plenty to discuss here. (There might even be a couple of other Bakker threads floating about.)
Madness wrote:In different ways, it strikes me that those that read along have to deal with some discomfort in that we are almost only reading sections of a larger book at a time.
Yes, this is something we've talked about before in relation to other books too. The difference in experience between reading each book of a series as it comes out (and probably rereading the previous books multiple times), and waiting for the entire series.

I think those who read along have a better experience myself. Or at least, a deeper one. :D

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Brinn wrote:Welcome to the forum "Madness". Always nice to have new blood.

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Lol. Thank you :).
Avatar wrote:Welcome to the Watch Madness. :D Join in wherever you like, plenty to discuss here. (There might even be a couple of other Bakker threads floating about.)
Thanks, Avatar :).
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Madness wrote:In different ways, it strikes me that those that read along have to deal with some discomfort in that we are almost only reading sections of a larger book at a time.
Yes, this is something we've talked about before in relation to other books too. The difference in experience between reading each book of a series as it comes out (and probably rereading the previous books multiple times), and waiting for the entire series.

I think those who read along have a better experience myself. Or at least, a deeper one. :D

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Certainly, the rereading makes an interesting difference :).

I can't imagine what it will be like for future fans who come to the completed series entire :o?!
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Well, we've seen it with King's Dark Tower series. I read it over the many years it took him to get it done, whereas my GF only read it once they were all out, and she could do it in one sitting, as it were.

I loved the series a lot more than she did, because I'd formed an attachment to it and the characters (like I've done with Bakkers) (well, TDTCB mostly) that she didn't have.

One the one hand, I sympathise with her preference for waiting for it all to be finished (damn GRRM :lol: ) but on the other...there is something to be said for reading along, waiting for each new book, re-reading them all as each one approaches...

Ah, books. :D

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Avatar wrote:Well, we've seen it with King's Dark Tower series. I read it over the many years it took him to get it done, whereas my GF only read it once they were all out, and she could do it in one sitting, as it were.

I loved the series a lot more than she did, because I'd formed an attachment to it and the characters (like I've done with Bakkers) (well, TDTCB mostly) that she didn't have.

One the one hand, I sympathise with her preference for waiting for it all to be finished (damn GRRM :lol: ) but on the other...there is something to be said for reading along, waiting for each new book, re-reading them all as each one approaches...

Ah, books. :D

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Indeed, Avatar :). Books.

And hey, release was yesterday!
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Indeed, Avatar :). Books.

And hey, release was yesterday!


Speaking of which, I had preordered several weeks ago at Amazon.de. Yesterday the dispatch information changed from its release date to, ships between 2 and 4 weeks. What?!

I cancelled my order and placed an order at Bookdepository instead. Still waiting for the shipping confirmation, though.
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it's worth the wait. Hope you enjoy it!
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I'm still gonna have to wait a while longer...only available in hardcover here (7-11 days to ship) but all my others are paperbacks, and I hate having 1 different one. I can wait. I think. :D

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Hiro wrote:
Madness wrote: Indeed, Avatar :). Books.

And hey, release was yesterday!
Speaking of which, I had preordered several weeks ago at Amazon.de. Yesterday the dispatch information changed from its release date to, ships between 2 and 4 weeks. What?!

I cancelled my order and placed an order at Bookdepository instead. Still waiting for the shipping confirmation, though.
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Brinn wrote:it's worth the wait. Hope you enjoy it!
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Avatar wrote:I'm still gonna have to wait a while longer...only available in hardcover here (7-11 days to ship) but all my others are paperbacks, and I hate having 1 different one. I can wait. I think. :D

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Orbit UK has a paperback coming out Sep 29 and one redditor at r/bakker suggested that Overlook will also put out a paperback around the time - possibly - that The Unholy Consult is rumoured to come out next year.

I wish you a matching cover, Avatar. As a Canadian, we've had to give up entirely on a complete set for TAE until such mythical time as there is a rerelease of the series entire...
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Madness wrote:
Hiro wrote:
Madness wrote: Indeed, Avatar :). Books.

And hey, release was yesterday!
Speaking of which, I had preordered several weeks ago at Amazon.de. Yesterday the dispatch information changed from its release date to, ships between 2 and 4 weeks. What?!

I cancelled my order and placed an order at Bookdepository instead. Still waiting for the shipping confirmation, though.
Did you receive the Unholy Artifact, Hiro?
Not yet. I guesstimate that it will arrive Tuesday at the earliest or, of course, afterwards. A bit anxious, seeing all the Great Ordeal spoiler topics at Second Apocalypse. A training in self-restraint, I do not wish to spoil the upcoming experience, eh slog.
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Madness wrote:I wish you a matching cover, Avatar. As a Canadian, we've had to give up entirely on a complete set for TAE until such mythical time as there is a rerelease of the series entire...
Haha, thanks. :D Hate it when that happens. And I do have some series like that...the Last Chrons is an example...Fatal Revenant in hardback, (thanks Luci :) ) and all the others are trade paperbacks. It's not the end of the world...but it niggles. :D

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Hiro wrote: Lol - indeed. Well, I hope you join us in discussion when you're finished :).
It niggles for real :P.

Penguin Canada's trade paperbacks of TJE and WLW had the two sides of the Tusk and the Circumfix respectively. I was really looking forward to what other religious iconography TGO/TUC was going to have - suppose we'll never find out now :(.
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I've started it and it is way darker than I care to read at this point. I've put it down and I'm reading The Brother's Karamazov again.
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Well, that certainly bodes...hell, I thought the other 2 were dark, especially TJE. I shall gird myself in anticipation.

(And I'm reading Erikson's Forge of Darkness now, whichis pretty dark itself. :lol: )

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How far did you get SerScot?
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Brinn wrote:How far did you get SerScot?
...no spoilers please... :)
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Brinn wrote:How far did you get SerScot?
I'm up to the third Moemen chapter. I'd just finished the first Achemeian Chapter. I'll finish it eventually.
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SerScot wrote:I've started it and it is way darker than I care to read at this point. I've put it down and I'm reading The Brother's Karamazov again.
Lol. I hope you find a more palatable head-space, SerScot.
Avatar wrote:Well, that certainly bodes...hell, I thought the other 2 were dark, especially TJE. I shall gird myself in anticipation.

(And I'm reading Erikson's Forge of Darkness now, whichis pretty dark itself. :lol: )

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I happen to think TGO is the darkest book he's written aside from Neuropath ;).
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Brinn wrote:How far did you get SerScot?
I'm up to the third Moemen chapter. I'd just finished the first Achemeian Chapter. I'll finish it eventually.
While dark, you really owe it to yourself to make it through. There are quite a few pay-offs in terms of awe moments that Bakker seems to have a special knack for writing.
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Madness wrote: I happen to think TGO is the darkest book he's written aside from Neuropath ;).
I shall look forward to it...with perhaps a little trepidation. :lol:

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SerScot, Hiro, Avatar, are any of you any closer to completing this leg of the slog?
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