Runes, Prolouge, Ch. 1: Mother's Son

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Runes, Prolouge, Ch. 1: Mother's Son

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The book opens in Linden's office. Roger Covenant, son of Thomas,...




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Just kidding folks!! :mrgreen:

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Damn You Fist!!!!! :x :x :x :x
I was getting excited!
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ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Haruchai wrote:Damn You Fist!!!!! :x :x :x :x
I was getting excited!
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:P :twisted: 8)
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The setup in this chapter is classic Donaldson. I can understand why it was released for pre consumption. It is amazingly tantalizing but also manages to reveal almost nothing beyond what is absolutely necessary. A short history lesson is included with a sketchy outline of what Linden Avery has experienced in the ten years following the end of WGW. We discover the fate of Dr. Berenford and something about the mood of the town but the most disturbing aspect is the specter of Roger Covenant. There are hints here that suggest something ominous and perhaps disastrous.

I must know more! I eagerly await Runes in its entirety. :D
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I completely disagree. I found the 'teaser' to have no affect on whether or not I'll run to the book store 2 weeks prior to the release date and pre-pay for my copy....... :screwy:
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TOM C wrote:The setup in this chapter is classic Donaldson. I can understand why it was released for pre consumption. It is amazingly tantalizing but also manages to reveal almost nothing beyond what is absolutely necessary. A short history lesson is included with a sketchy outline of what Linden Avery has experienced in the ten years following the end of WGW. We discover the fate of Dr. Berenford and something about the mood of the town but the most disturbing aspect is the specter of Roger Covenant. There are hints here that suggest something ominous and perhaps disastrous.

I must know more! I eagerly await Runes in its entirety. :D
TOM C, in another post I mentioned that a) Roger seems comprimised by the Despiser and b) That if Joan is once again a representation for the health of the Land (recall that blood shed was needed to sustain her and the land itself...Foul is a sick *blank*, ain't he?) TC and therest will have a tough go of it. That need to harm herself (it the region of thought no less) could have many repurcussions.
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TOM C, in another post I mentioned that a) Roger seems comprimised by the Despiser and b) That if Joan is once again a representation for the health of the Land (recall that blood shed was needed to sustain her and the land itself...Foul is a sick *blank*, ain't he?) TC and therest will have a tough go of it. That need to harm herself (it the region of thought no less) could have many repurcussions.
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Re: Runes of the Earth - One: Mother's Son

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Fist and Faith wrote:The book opens in Linden's office. Roger Covenant, son of Thomas,...




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Just kidding folks!! :mrgreen:

Such a brat :P

Mr Donaldson wastes no words...there is so much going on in those first 12 pages. We are in for one hell of a ride!!! I can't wait!!! :D :D
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and what life put you thru.

~fly fly little wing, fly where only angels sing~

~this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you~

...for then I could fly away and be at rest. Sweet rest, Mom. We all love and miss you.

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That little bit has SO peaked my interest! I can't wait for the rest.
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SPOILERS!!!

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SPOILERS!!!!!!!





SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!




SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!








Roger's eyes...
What is it with the children of Thomas Covenant and their non-sane eyes? 8O

And the whole thing about Joan...how she loses her teeth, how her body has aged far beyond its years...will that be a foreshadowing of what is going on in the Land?

And how a year ago, she started to try to kill herself by beating herself up? After having spent the previous nine years in the same state Thomas was in when the Elohim locked him up inside of his own head in TOT? How many years pass in the Land for one of our years? Is that when Foul would have started his latest assault upon the Land? And why does only the touch of her white gold wedding ring quiet her?

Too many questions...it'll be a long wait until October and we start getting our answers... 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
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I must point out the significance of this chapter's title. He is his 'Mother's Son' in far more ways than one.

I wasn't going to elaborate on the above (I like making comments like that and leaving it - I always just expect people to know exactly what I'm getting at without me pointing it out), but I feel like explaining:
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Most importantly, it is clear that what happened in his early life (to his mother and father) had a bad effect on him - it left him vulnerable in the same way Joan had been vulnerable when Foul managed to take a hold on her - and clearly this vulnerability was found quickly by Foul. Thus, he is truly his Mother's Son.
Edit - Actually, this has made me want to comment on an observation I have made. I read this chapter, and I see all sorts of things - possibilities, implications - and I can pick up a good idea of what is going on (or at least, it seems to fit because of the earlier Covenant books). Other people seem to read it and don't think there is enough information to guess anything yet. Odd. I think I'm this way with a lot of books - the more so the more I read. Back when I first read the second chrons (ooh, a whole three/four years ago, I think), I wouldn't have picked up things this easily, even with the knowledge of the first chrons I had. It's why I feel sometimes that i'm not getting the full effect of events, revelations, etc in books - I've usually already guessed them.
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Roger is possessed by either moksha or turiya. Joan is lost, as Triock was for a while.
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MORE SPOILERS!!!!!!





MORE SPOILERS!!!!!!!






MORE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!


What did Joan fail at?
after all, TC went to the Land and died...seemed pretty successful to me...

What task of Joan's does Roger now need to take over?
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**SPOILERS**
Of course, if you've started reading this thread, it might be assumed you finished the 2nd Chrons, and no spoiler warnings are necessary. But since we're not done dissecting the 2nd, I guess we should put them in. :D










Foul's still trapped within the Arch of Time, neh? What was done to Joan before TWL, and her behavior toward Covenant - basically, everything the made him sacrifice himself for her - did not break Covenant.
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Roger is one freaky bleepity-bleep bleep bleep. If I were Linden I would be running for the hills right about now.

*shudder*

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"she told me that if she failed I would have to take her place..."
Roger, taking Joan's place, in securing the white gold into Foul's hand. Joan was Foul's means in the second chrons to get the white gold from Covenant. Now, it falls to Roger.

From the excerpt SRD read at Bubonicon, chapter 5 of the prologue, we learn that Roger kidnaps both Joan and Jeremiah. Why Jeremiah? In kidnapping Joan for Foul, he already has the white gold (Joan is wearing her ring now). Why would Foul need to lure Linden to the Land too? Hmmmmmmm...
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A guess off the top of my head is that he wants to use her against Covenant. "Remove yourself from the Arch of Time, let me loose into the universe. I know how to get out without destroying this Earth, but you must be gone from the Arch. If you do not, I will claim your Chosen," he said the word with as much contempt and ridicule in his voice as possible, "as I have the other women you have loved. But what I did to Elena and Joan, and even dukkha Waynhim, will pale in comparison! Mark me, Groveller! Your anguish as you witness the pain and degredation that she will suffer for all Time will be boundless!"

Or something else.
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Erm, hmm, let's see. Maybe Foul still doesn't get it that TC is the white gold? Linden has TC's ring; she's been instrumental in saving the Land before; her talents could well be used against him again. Maybe Foul's just covering all his bases. He may well believe that others can wield the white gold (why else would he be so hot for Joan to have her own ring back?) and so he may want to get Linden where he can neutralize her, once and for all.

F&F, I like the idea of Roger being possessed by a Raver -- but how did the Raver get into our world? I think we're all pretty well settled on the fact that there is no physical transference between the Land and our world. Are you suggesting that Foul has figured out a way to get someone's spirit from there to here? That would be a first! We've seen the Creator in our world, and Foul's nasty red eyes and his influence. But I don't believe anybody from the Land has made the crossing yet.
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