So Who Taught the Land's People how to Survive Post Sunbane?

[Lord Mhoram]

I disagree. Sure, they survived the Sunbane, but that's allthey know. There are others, like the Giants and Haruchai I believe, who know differently, and can help them. Remember, they grew food from the Sunbane, and even the society was based on the Sunbane. How is life without the Sunbane going to be a cake-walk???

[duchess of malfi]

Did that darned Clave even leave enough people alive for this to be an issue?? Didn't they start killing everyone they could get their dirty hands on towards the end?

And I agree with Mhoram AND with Syl. Life after the Sunbane would HAVE to be better -- BUT since the entire culture revolves around the Sunbane, people would have some major adjustments to make throughout their entire culture. And most people don't like making huge changes!

[Lord Mhoram]

Especially this people!

[KaosArcana]

It'll be interesting to see what kind of culture exists in the Land by
the time of the Third Chronicles. I wonder if there will be anything
like Lords in the Reborn Land? With all the destruction that resulted
from the Clave, the people who are left may wind up no longer being
recognizable as Stonedowners or Woodhelvinin. Maybe it'll be like it
was in the time of Berek's Queen ...

[caamora]

The people did have a culture that relied on the Sunbane. How would they know that the Banefire was no more? Wouldn't they continue with their normal practices? Sure they would see that the Land no longer went through the severe cycles of seasons but I think it would take a major adjustment for them to learn how to grow food and learn new lore.

It would also take quite some time for the Giants, or whoever was going to spread the word, to get the news to everyone in the Land. The Land is a pretty big place.

I also think that the Waynhim (sp?) would be able to plant their foliage and fruit where they wanted and release their fauna and, with the help of Hamako, make fine progress and communication with the people of the Land. After all, the Waynhim would be the ones who would know the old lore, don't you think?

[KaosArcana]

caamora:

I also think that the Waynhim (sp?) would be able to plant their foliage and fruit where they wanted and release their fauna and, with the help of Hamako, make fine progress and communication with the people of the Land. After all, the Waynhim would be the ones who would know the old lore, don't you think?

Hamako is dead. He isn't going to be teaching anyone thing.

Hmm... unless the Dead are now able to manifest at will where they
want to ... heh... boy would that make things complicated ...

[caamora]

Sorry, I forgot about Hamako . Maybe he taught some of the Waynhim to speak English (or rather, Landspeak).

[Dirty Whirl]

I don't know how land people could survive immediately after the sunbane was healed.
The last sunbane phase was a desert sun, I think, so theres no vegetation or water left. The wayhim were decimated, so theres not more than a couple rhysh left most likely, and while linden thought that animals probobly survived the urvile trashing, I doubt the trees they saved would be able to survive in sunless caves for long.
Considering it takes quite some time for vegetation to grow, I would have thought that most of the surviving people of the land would starve to death in the month immediately after the sunbane, sunless they lived close to revelstone which probobly had supplies or maybe andelain.

[The Dark Overlord]

I would say all those mentioned contributed: waynhim, giants, Sunder and Hollian, etc.

[Dirty Whirl]

hey, weren't all young landians killed off by the clave or mind controlled and sent against the heros at revelstone? It seems like the land had gone through a serious depopulation... from warwards of 20,000 to (perhaps) low 100s population of a generation.
I assume the staff of law cant quick grow food cause that itself is just like the sunbane, so unless there was few enough people that the remaining population of the land lived off the supplies at revelstone I dont know how they would have lived.

[Chuchichastli]

As far as I can tell, the answer appears to be in Runes of the Earth:

Spoiler

It seems that Sunder and Hollian, and later Anele, were not restricted to Andelain as is suggested at the end of WGW. Here, in Chapter 9 of Runes, Anele says' 'I am Anele son of Sunder and Hollian. In Mithil Stonedown I was born to them.'

and, 'Though they made their home in Mithil Stonedown, their concern was for all the land. Though they had been freed from Andelain by the passing of the Sunbane, and by the Staff of Law, they had not forgotten loveliness.'

and a little later, '...my parents journeyed throughout the Land for many years, bearing me with them. From earliest childhood, I watched them wield the staff for the Land's healing.'

[iQuestor]

looks like chuchi nailed it.

[wayfriend]

But therein lies a mystery. Did the author change the story? Or did something happen in the story which changed the restriction? All I can think of is, at the time Sunder and Hollian last spoke to Linden, they did not have the new Staff of Law, and did not account for it.

[danlo]

(mod's note: careful...treading really close to Runes...)

[Chuchichastli]

Cheers iQuestor!

Thanks Danlo, I had a feeling this was getting pretty borderline...trying not to give away too much but if the thread needs shifting, do what you gotta do!

I don't think it's so much the case that SRD changed the story, merely that it developed in a totally believeable way...

Spoiler

Neither Sunder nor Hollian could possibly have known at the end of WGW that the passing of the Sunbane would free them from Andelain - as an event, it may have been somewhat protracted, a slow fading of the Sunbane's influence or only a gradual reassertion of Law by the Staff. It could even be that S & H only figured out how to travel beyond Andelain using the Staff several years after Linden's departure. We can only speculate at this point as to how these things came to pass, and how long it was before they were realized.

[wayfriend]

We should probably pick this up in the Runes Forum, or in the dissection (where there is already a thread).

But I will add...

Spoiler

it's not just their choice of a place to live that seems to have changed (with or without reason). It's also the place they chose to bear their son. What reason would there be for that?

[Relayer]

You're probably right... my whole post is spoilered

Spoiler

Neither Sunder nor Hollian could possibly have known at the end of WGW that the passing of the Sunbane would free them from Andelain - as an event, it may have been somewhat protracted, a slow fading of the Sunbane's influence or only a gradual reassertion of Law by the Staff. It could even be that S & H only figured out how to travel beyond Andelain using the Staff several years after Linden's departure. We can only speculate at this point as to how these things came to pass, and how long it was before they were realized.

Spoiler

Agreed, they wouldn't have known that they'd be freed from Andelain. But they must have figured it out pretty quickly... Hollian was rather pregnant, and they probably only had 5-6 months.

Spoiler

it's not just their choice of a place to live that seems to have changed (with or without reason). It's also the place they chose to bear their son. What reason would there be for that?

Spoiler

Why not? It's Sunder's home and he wanted to return there, to his people. He had already terminated his family line; this way he could begin it anew and demonstrate that he had not abandoned his people. We could also speculate that Hollian might not have wanted to return to Crystal Stonedown, whose people would not fight the Rider to keep her. Besides, Mithil Stonedown is where SRD likes to have things happen

But none of this answers the original point of this thread: how did the people of the Land survive? And however it happened, it had to be fast. They didn't have enough time for an entire normal growing season or they would've starved. Unless we speculate that when Linden healed the Land, it also "knew" to heal into a state where the trees already bore fruit, vegetables were edible, etc. IIRC, the people did have some livestock, which might have helped get through the down time.

I believe the "real answer" however, is much simpler: SRD didn't need the details for backstory. The people of the Land survived. That's all that was important.

[Chuchichastli]

I just tend to assume that there was a pretty tough drought, but most of them pulled through. They may have had some supplies and stores - and livestock, as you say. And remember, there still would have been aliantha available. Maybe most villages got so hungry they ate it just to put themselves out of their misery and hardship (thinking it was poison ) and were rather pleasantly surprised at the result!

[iQuestor]

I believe the "real answer" however, is much simpler: SRD didn't need the details for backstory. The people of the Land survived. That's all that was important.

I agree with this. we don't have to know everything, and SRD cant possibly cover all bases all the time. this may have been what he intended, or something he had to develop as runes was unfolding....

[Trapper]

IIRC after the Ritual of Desecration the Land was slowly resettled by those few who had taken refuge in the Mountains and the Southron Wastes. I think the same thing would have happened here.