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Tsunami kills 175,000: coping in the safe zone

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Why??


This one has really been making me think, guys. Things like this, albeit generally on a lesser scale, happen all the time on the other side of the world. There are natural disasters, and wars, famine AIDS.....the horror and the bodies piled equally high. There are people all over the world who can reasonably expect to lose at least one child to violence or disaster before that child reaches the age of five. But not me. Not you. I can reasonably expect to see my children grow to adulthood, and die in a hospital after recieving the best medical care, surrounded by fat grandchildren. Yes, it makes me count my blessings. Yes it makes every paltry misfortune I will ever suffer seem silly and inconsequential when held up against such a vast tragedy. I'm caught between feeling lucky to live where I do, and be as blessed as I am, and glad, yes, so glad, that it's not me and mine. That those little sheet covered bodies are none of mine. I'm grateful beyond words. But at the same time, I'm so incredibly guilty.

I feel guilty for feeling grateful that my family are safe. I feel guilty that my family will probably always be safe from these sorts of things. And I feel guilty that I wouldn't trade places with the victims in a million years. It just seems so cataclysmically unfair! What did those people ever do to deserve a disaster like this? What did we ever do to never have to face a disaster like this? Why is some of the world constantly living in a storm of grief, opression, and terror, and the worst thing some of us have to worry about is not being able to make the payments on our SUV's on time?

I know these are questions that don't have answers. I don't expect answers to these. What I want to know is how do you deal with it? Whenever I've asked questions like these of religious leaders in the past, I have usually gotten a variation on the same answer: God works in mysterious ways....we can't know His plan.....this should make you count your blessings, and humble you before the grace of God that you are safe from these things......yadda yadda yadda.....
And of course they're right, whether you believe in God or not (and I am so not trying to start another religious debate in here....) what they all mean is the same thing: we don't know. There is no answer for your question, be grateful it wasn't you.

For most people, this seems to be a workable response. In the face of an enormous tragedy, we lift our heads, take notice, feel bad, feel glad it's not us, send some money, and go back to sleep. In the face of the enormous suffering that drives merrily along without the aid of mother nature every single day, we rarely wake up at all....

So how do you stand it? Knowing that really, there's nothing you can do to help. You can donate money. You can join a cause, fight a fight - if you have any attention to spare from trying to keep your own life, and those you're responsible for from falling off the wire. (Very few of us can be a Furls....;)) But even the Furls's of the world (I hope you don't mind me using you as an example Furls, you're the most heroic person I know |G) have to go to sleep in their safe houses every night knowing that tonight while we sleep, x number of innocents across the globe will die some miserable death simply because of the random chance (or will of God, if you prefer that) of being born on the wrong continent.

And it could so easily have been reversed......

This is the world we live in. If we think about it all the time it will drive us crazy, so we wall it off, push it to the back of our minds. And most of us manage to go for quite a long time between reminders of the others in the world. The dusty ones, the skinny little ones with the bloated bellies. The bloody ones. The ones covered with sheets in the street. These things are hurtful, and there's only so much we can take......knowing that even if we sent every dime we ever had to these people, it could never stop it all. It would be one tiny drop in a vast ocean of suffering. And we can't do even that - we have our own to look after. Our own children who are healthy, and beautiful, and just as innocent as the ones who are dying.

So to protect ourselves, we just don't think about it. We might make donations to various charities, but even when we're making out the check, we rarely allow our minds to dwell on the people it's going to. And is that enough? No. Never. But is it wrong? I don't think so. What else can we do? There's just too much. So much. Always.

So I'm not looking for reassurances about the meek inheriting the earth, or God's divine plan, or the end off all suffering at such and such appointed time. Not that I'm knocking it, or even disagreeing with it, it's just that I've heard it all before. (Although if you really must respond along those lines, I guess I don't really mind. Cold comfort is, after all, better than none.) I'm looking for guidance. Practical advice to help ease the pain of helplessness. How on earth do you deal with the guilt of being born lucky?
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I have heard in the news that there is something under the Atlantic Ocean that is going to set another Quake off. But that is only news...

So horrorible that it should hit right after Christmas...
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The Joy wrote:So horrorible that it should hit right after Christmas...
No worse than if it had happened any other day of the year, The Queg. It was terrible, no matter when if happened.
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it is sad that it takes a tragedy of this magnitude to make us think of those less fortunate than us. and sadder yet that at some point we will forget it all over again. and hey while we mourn the deaths we are still involved in a war. hmmm...
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I know. What I mean is that we were all happy (I hope so...), family is coming round, people having a laugh and such. Then the next day we here that lots of people are dead...
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happens a little bit each day.
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To address birdandbear's post:

How do I deal with the guilt of being born lucky? For starters, I only feel guilty when I'm being petty - over some lost object, over getting a speeding ticket... you know, feeling ridiculously upset over the inconsequential things. The big things are, for the most part, out of my control. My mother has worked hard to give us the life we have, and I am greatful for that instead of feeling guilty for that I was born into a position from which I could advance.

That's not the whole answer, though. The best way I've found to deal with the feeling is to work for something better, even if it's something minor in the grand scheme of things. Take my current job: our big project right now is deer management. This won't help the people in Asia, but it will help local farmers make ends meet by removing a damaging pest from their crops, and the dead deer will feed local families in need of assistance. This is all I can do for the world in my present circumstances, so I try to do it well.

We can't all be there to help everybody all the time, but if everyone tries their honest best to do something for those around them, then there shouldn't be a reason to lose sleep at night.
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Alynna Lis Eachann wrote:ToWe can't all be there to help everybody all the time, but if everyone tries their honest best to do something for those around them, then there shouldn't be a reason to lose sleep at night.
Well said Alynna.

And I get the feeling that BirdandBear is one of those who shouldn't be losing any sleep.

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Great post, bird&bear. You're right that, aside from tireless activists such as Furls Fire, we tend to insulate ourselves from the misery that happens in the world, surrounded as we are here by all the material pleasures in the land of plenty.

How do I deal with the guilt of being born lucky? Well, I don't feel that I was born under especially lucky circumstances, but I certainly feel lucky that I wound up in the West, in Canada. I just donate what I can to the current crisis, and let fate and the humanitarian effort take care of the rest. I can and do sleep at night, because mere hand-wringing and tears on my part won't impress anybody on the other side of the planet who've lost whole families.

Make no mistake: I do feel for all those forsaken lives. I've been watching the news all week, and I'm deeply moved by every image or story of a mother who lost her child, or a child who lost her mother. I care enough to want to stay informed about what's happening. And it's not as if the rest of the world is just standing by: countries are responding. I just hope that aid and good intentions can overcome the political obstacles of a place like Sri Lanka: even a global disaster can't seem to erase the bad blood of the long-running civil war in that country. Yes, humanity in a nutshell right there: compassion in the midst of disaster, politics in the midst of compassion.
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HUGGLESSSSSSSSSSSSSs birdie!! |G |G

There is nothing to feel guilty about. The world is an imperfect place. There is always going to be a disaster somewhere, there is always going to be crime, there is always going to be a war being fought, the world will never be "perfect". What happened in Asia is tragic, an event that causes a world wide cry of that anguished question "why". I have no answer. All I can do, all any of us can do, is try to do what we can for those stricken. Some are able to do more than others, some can't do anything at all because their circumstances are just as dire. For me, I'm at a place where I can do alot. So that is what I do. Money, is not a problem for us, and so I give in abundance. I also have "time", (for those who know me well will wonder where I get it..hehehe). But, because I have no outside employment obligations, I am able to juggle my time so in these past few days I was able to spend alot of time at the Red Cross helping to organize relief efforts there. But, not everyone can do the things I can. But, if you do what YOU can, then there is nothing to feel guilty about, and certainly nothing to lose sleep over. Just offering prayer to those stricken, if that is all you can do, and you do it, then you have done something and should feel good about it. :)

I'm rambling here. Birdie, God bless you and keep you safe. May He keep your children safe. May He keep us all safe. His answers to the question "why" may not always make sense, and He may not even answer it at all. I know, that sounds pretty lame. We may never understand why such things happen. Why He "allows" such things to happen. What did those people do to deserve such a tragedy? Nothing. But, it happened. And the best we can do is try and help as we can. Don't feel guilty birdie. Our lives are what we make them.

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Don't feel guilt for being lucky; treasure living as though it is a gift. Life isnt meant for feeling guilty just because it wasn't you.
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Yeah, I'm with Loremaster. I didn't ask to be born in the US, it just happened. I'm very glad I was, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else (maybe NZ or Austrailia). So I have no sense of guilt whatsoever. This is a terrible tragedy, but it's not my fault. My actions or inactions didn't cause the quake. Now, though, there is something I can do to help. I've done it, and when I'm able to do more, I will.

I feel shock and horror over the devestation. I feel blessed to be in the position I'm in. I have no guilt over that I cannot control.
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I don't think there is any reason for such things. As the saying goes, bad things happen to good people. Also to bad people. And good things happen to both good and bad people. Not having any religious beliefs to bring into it, I don't look for Why's.

As for how I deal with it, you said it, birdy:
birdandbear wrote:This is the world we live in. If we think about it all the time it will drive us crazy, so we wall it off, push it to the back of our minds. And most of us manage to go for quite a long time between reminders of the others in the world.
If I thought about such tragedies, or the oblivion that I expect to come with death, or children being abused (imo, the most horrifying and despicable act), very often, I'd go nuts. I'm somewhat close to having whatever problem it's called (obsession?) when it comes to my children's safety. But I'm able to push even that out of my mind for long stretches.

It's not wrong or unnatural to feel horrified and terrified by all the things that happen in the world. But it's also not wrong or unnatural to ignore it at times, and do things that make us happy. If I became one of the less fortunates tomorrow, I would not want anybody else to suffer just because I am.
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sudden tragedies bring out the shallowness in our nature I think. I'm not trying to detract from the horror of the tsunami, but I regard some of the reaction to it a little cynically. Over a million people have been butchered in Rwanda by genocidal fanatics. Where is the mass reaction to this?

Africa is rife with huge human catastrophes but you don't see too much global unity in attempting to address this do you?

I think it's because there is no blame attached to natural disasters that enables governments to group together and do something about it. And of course the tsunami victims deserve every inch of aid they get. god knows how they will ever recover.

My point is though that this allows us to focus away from some of the far bigger tragedies/atrocities that are going on in the world that DO have have blame attached, ARE unjust and CAN be addressed and prevented.

Easy points for me to make in my comfortable western home, safe and isolated from it all, but I just find it all a bit out of kilter. Africa needs sorting out NOW, just as urgently as Indonesia does.

The world stinks and so does Man, but that makes living happly in it so rewarding.
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Hamako, an excellent point, regardless of your circumstances.

I agree with your assessment of the "blameless" nature of environmental disasters, and the concomitant ease with which the world reacts, in comparison to the reluctance that is showed when the disastars are of human making.

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cheers mate, having written it, I wondered if it was too close to the knuckle, but I stand by it. Sometimes I just find mass reactions a little insincere - the worst example here was after Princess Diana's death - that was totally incomprehensible.

Maybe I'm just a cynic.
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Cynical is not another word for wrong. ;)

Yeah, I remember the huge furore after her death, and wondering about it. Interested me in the light of Mother Theresa's death at the same time, about which almost nothing was heard.

Although I've never really thought about it, I agree that there is something, perhaps insincerity, perhaps just a form of group hysteria, that colours "mass reactions".

Doubtless it would make an interesting study for psychologists or sociologists.

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The trouble with actively posting is it diverts me from my work, which pays the mortgage! Though it's more interesting for sure.......

on Diana's death as an example, I think such collective grief/whatever shifts people's focus away from their own lives and allows them to express perhaps emotions that they would be reluctant to show in a "normal" environment. In this country we're still not big on expressing ourselves (unless with a gutful of ale, then we excel at it, self included). More controversial a point though is that you tend to see this more in the less well educated - a bit like a mass Jerry Springer show phenomenon. (I make pains to state that I'm in no way an elitist, I think it's just a fact).

And that's leading me on to a separate thread I'm thinking about to do with underclass etc - might have to post that, though I do tend to get on a soapbox about it, tiresomely for my friends and family...

But, people do generally like to jump on bandwagons, whatever the subject don't you think?
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hamako wrote:The trouble with actively posting is it diverts me from my work, which pays the mortgage! Though it's more interesting for sure.......
Multi-Tasking! :) I know exactly what you mean. Thankfully, I have long(ish) quiet periods at my job, (and I type and think quickly) so I've so far managed to do my job as well as the large(ish) amount of posting that I do here.
hamako wrote:on Diana's death as an example, I think such collective grief/whatever shifts people's focus away from their own lives and allows them to express perhaps emotions that they would be reluctant to show in a "normal" environment.
An interesting idea, and probably quite accurate. Perhaps it's a form of emotional escapism.
hamako wrote:In this country we're still not big on expressing ourselves (unless with a gutful of ale, then we excel at it, self included).
Know what you mean here too. I spent a couple of years living in the UK, and whatever people say, it often seems that people there are still too conscious of their "place" and what is and is not acceptable from them, based on this perception. (Except, as you say, after a few pints.)
hamako wrote:More controversial a point though is that you tend to see this more in the less well educated - a bit like a mass Jerry Springer show phenomenon. (I make pains to state that I'm in no way an elitist, I think it's just a fact).

And that's leading me on to a separate thread I'm thinking about to do with underclass etc - might have to post that, though I do tend to get on a soapbox about it, tiresomely for my friends and family...

But, people do generally like to jump on bandwagons, whatever the subject don't you think?
Yeah, I certainly agree. I look forward to the new thread that you're going to start. *nudge*nudge*

I sometimes think that the people who are less well educated, or have less inclination/opportunity to use their critical skills may too often be prone to accept what they see on television etc. at face value, rather than questioning it, or asking whether there are agenda's hidden behind it.

When I listen to politicians talk, I often ask myself why people are not raising outcries at the glaring inconsistencies in their words, and all too often, the complete lack of meaningful content. Subject the next politicians speech that you hear to a semantic analysis, and you'll probably see what I mean, if you haven't picked it up many times already.

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Sorry for the double post, but I thought one of the mods might like to edit the title of the thread again.
Tsunami deaths over 290 000
02/02/2005 09:23 - (SA)
Jakarta - The number of people presumed dead in December's earthquake and tsunamis rose to more than 290 000 on Wednesday, with Indonesian authorities announcing a further increase in the number of dead.
Indonesia was hardest-hit by the December 26 quake and tsunamis, with a total 237 071 people listed as dead or missing, the health ministry said.
A health ministry official said the 127 774 people listed as missing but who almost certainly perished would only be considered dead after one year.
Thailand's toll remained at 5 393 confirmed dead. A further 3 071 people were listed as missing, more than 1 000 of them foreigners.
The toll in Sri Lanka, which was second hardest hit by the catastrophe, stood at 30 957, according to the Centre for National Operations.
The number of people listed as missing was 5 637, but many were expected to be among those never formally identified, hurriedly buried and included in the confirmed death toll.
In neighbouring India, the official death toll has reached 10 749 with 5 640 still reported missing and feared dead.
The government said on Monday that it would make up its final casualty figures in "about a week" in which it is expected to declare the missing dead.
Myanmar has said 61 people were killed in the tsunamis, against an estimated 90 deaths according to the United Nations.
At least 82 people were killed and another 26 were missing in the Maldives.
Sixty-eight people were dead in Malaysia, most of them in Penang, according to police, while Bangladesh reported two deaths.
Fatalities also occurred on the east coast of Africa where 298 people were declared dead in Somalia, 10 in Tanzania and one in Kenya.
Relief workers have said they believe the figure for Somali fatalities to be exaggerated.
The United States Geological Survey said the earthquake west of the Indonesian island of Sumatra measured 9.0 on the Richter scale, making it the largest quake worldwide in four decades.
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