Star Trek XI in Development - New Plot info. RED ALERT!

[aTOMiC]

www2.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=43618

I kid you not. Instead of excitement I'm left wondering how Paramount is going to further destroy one of the greatest sci fi franchises in history.
Maybe I'll be suprised. Maybe one good film can recharge Star Trek anew.
We'll see.

[dlbpharmd]

Well, I'm not surprised and I'm not happy either. The last 2 movies were simply awful.

What they need, for crying out loud, is a good story! It's just that simple.

And let me say this - Data is dead, and I don't want to see B4 become the new Data ( but I know that he will.)

[matrixman]

Well, the Trek movie franchise has lost so much credibility in my eyes that I really wonder what kind of success Rick Berman and his posse think they will have with yet another movie. Personally, I'm not going anywhere near this movie if and when it comes out, unless I hear rave reviews from Trek fans.

Star Trek may not be dead (its enormous and loyal fanbase won't permit that) but it's being drained of its life by a faceless corporate entity: Paramount, not the Borg.

[Alynna Lis Eachann]

From what I've heard this is, in fact, a prequel... or at least it was the first time Berman submitted the idea. The rumor is that Paramount didn't like whatever concept he'd thought up, and sent it back to the drawing board. I get the feeling, though, that it will still be a prequel when he's done with it. What is it with him and rewriting canon history?

I used to have some respect for Rick Berman, but it has long since disappeared.

[edit: A prequel, indeed: www.imdb.com/title/tt0408305/ ]

[dlbpharmd]

Thanks for the link - I probably would go see this movie, based on that.

[aTOMiC]

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No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No............

160 years before Kirk. Wonderful. Let's all care about the character development instead of the special effects. Dear Lord! Who do they think they are kidding here? If you are a ST fan you DO care about character depth but lets face it. We're addicted to the Space Adventure aspect of the ST universe. At least I am. ST IX was a relative bore for me because the film lacked the scope and all around intensity and thrills we experience just one film before. Ugh.
Were it up to me I'd do something that hasn't been done as yet. Something I'd pay real money to see. A big budget, special effects thrill ride set in the 2266-2268 era (original series tv era) aboard the Yorktown or Saratoga etc. I'd like to see the orignal series look and feel focused through a lens of advanced movie making technology.
Nah they'd never do it. I guess Star Trek is destined to suffer for some time to come.

[matrixman]

SyFy Portal had a chance to chat with Erik Jendresen who was recently signed to write the next installment in the "Star Trek" franchise.

Jenresen told that, "the story concept, the basic idea of this thing, is pretty damn big. It's a noble enterprise, pun intended."

He admitted that he is not a diehard Star Trek fan...

While it's not necessary to be a diehard Trekker to write a Trek movie, at this point I say they should give Trek back to the fans already. I wish Mr. Jendresen well, but I won't feel too much sympathy for him if his "noble enterprise" fails to impress. I don't know what other screenwriting he has done (if any).

[Furls Fire]

Ya know, for me Nemisis was a huge let down. I was hoping for a continuing story about Spock's plan for reunification between the Romulans and Vulcans with that movie. Also, I think that a movie about the Dominion war would have been awesome. I have to say that I don't think this prequel idea will work...we won't have any of the characters in it that we all know and love. My Star Trek history is also a little vague...did the Federation war with the Romulans??? I thought that was a war between the Romulans and the Klingons???

[dlbpharmd]

Ya know, for me Nemisis was a huge let down. I was hoping for a continuing story about Spock's plan for reunification between the Romulans and Vulcans with that movie. Also, I think that a movie about the Dominion war would have been awesome. I have to say that I don't think this prequel idea will work...we won't have any of the characters in it that we all know and love. My Star Trek history is also a little vague...did the Federation war with the Romulans??? I thought that was a war between the Romulans and the Klingons???

Nemesis sucked, plain and simple. I've argued for years that the best possible story would be a unification story between Romulus and Vulcan.

IIRC the Federation has been at war with both Romulus and Kronos at least once before, and the Romulans have fought the Klingons several times.

[Edge]

'Enterprise' already proved that the prequel concept just doesn't work.

[Dragonlily]

I'm with those who think it all depends on having a good story. They can prequel all they want and continue transforming a grand idea into junk, or they can WAIT until they have a truly good idea.

I also think, and the ratings bear me out, that Roddenberry's idealism is what appealed to the audience at the height of the franchise. Looking for what Berman calls "edginess," the kind of disillusioned conflicts that have made up the recent series and movies, is a direct rejection of what made it work.

We don't have to slide along with the so-called "realistic" cynicism that has taken hold of Star Trek, reflecting the change in western culture. Star Trek could be a strong influence in encouraging people to hope, and try to make things better again.

NOT stepping off my soapbox. I think it's important that Paramount's Star Trek team get this message.

[Alynna Lis Eachann]

I would love to have seen a Vulcan/Romulan reunification story: a very traditional Trek concept that's probably as dead as the Great Bird himself.

Also, I think that a movie about the Dominion war would have been awesome.

That would have been very cool, especially with the SFX. They would have had to do it during DS9's run, though.

I was dreadfully disappointed to learn, a few years ago, that there were no plans for a DS9 movie. How unfair to the fans, cast and crew! So many new roads opened for the characters with the last ep: it would have been great to see, and no doubt great to produce.

I have no intention of seeing this movie when it's made. All practical things aside, this will be the 11th movie, and suffer the odd-number curse that's hit everything from ST:TMP on down (and spilled right over into Nemesis, though that movie had its moments). Only this time, it's almost like they're doing it on purpose.

[matrixman]

I also think, and the ratings bear me out, that Roddenberry's idealism is what appealed to the audience at the height of the franchise. Looking for what Berman calls "edginess," the kind of disillusioned conflicts that have made up the recent series and movies, is a direct rejection of what made it work.

We don't have to slide along with the so-called "realistic" cynicism that has taken hold of Star Trek, reflecting the change in western culture. Star Trek could be a strong influence in encouraging people to hope, and try to make things better again.

NOT stepping off my soapbox. I think it's important that Paramount's Star Trek team get this message.

You nailed it, Dragonlily! Berman's Trek has lost direction because it's trying to be something it wasn't meant to be. If I want edgy, cynical sci-fi, I'll put on Blade Runner or Alien (or the new Battlestar Galactica, heh). But the Star Trek that I want is one that, as you say, encourages people to hope and try to make things better.

That's one reason Star Trek: The Motion Picture had such a profound effect on me, more than any other Trek film, in fact. (Yes, I'm constantly having to defend this movie, and dammit, Jim, I'll stand by it to the day I die). It is a poetic film with a transformational ending that always leaves me, every time I watch it, with a sense of peace and possibility about the future. Then there's ST IV: The Voyage Home, with its wonderful Save-The-Whales (and the Environment) message. ST: TNG continued the vision of a Trek future that explored the optimistic possibilities of the human species, not a vision that dwells on the nastiness and BS of the species. After all, isn't the point of Star Trek to show that the human race can survive and surpass its own darkness to become something greater? Then along comes something like Deep Space Nine that says, "What? Screw that!" That show just never appealed to me as a Trek show.

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...I think that a movie about the Dominion war would have been awesome.

Hear, Hear. I would have loved that, and always assumed that it was on the verge of happening. How disappointed I was!

I liked DS9 though, not at first, I'll admit, but it grew on me to such an extent that I had to back-track and watch all the early ones I missed, after watching the three-part episode, HomeComing, which was the one (3)turned the tide for me.

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[dlbpharmd]

DS9 has been and will always be my favorite ST series. I loved the complex characters and the great story lines.

[Dragonlily]

MM, you said it so well.