Elena (adult question)

[duchess of malfi]

I can't speak for other women, and have never been a man, so can't compare, but sex is on my mind an awful lot of the time, and has been since my mid-teens.

Sex is right up there with food and water as something needed to live.

[danlo]

I'll tell you with all the Earthpower, Earthblood, hurtloam and aliantha coursing around the Land I'd be one happy hoppin' bunny...

The Cosmic Trilogy!? Is that what it's actually called? I've got it listed as the Perelandra Trilogy at the Lewis Fourm on Ahira's Hangar

[Myste]

Thanks, Mel. I think your actual question is one the psycho-biologists are still trying to figure out. But I see what you mean about getting what you said mixed up--
Elena's virginity being a result of her monomania for Covenant is pretty much how I see it, too.

I mean, celibacy--true celibacy--is seen in many religions as a sacrifice of the Self to the Higher Power. One gives up one's own earthly desires in order to free oneself for the uses the higher power has for you. In this sense, it could almost be argued that (assuming that Elena was, in fact, a virgin) Elena might have seen herself as a priestess of the Cult of Covenant, and her mother a vestal virgin of the same religion.

Now I've creeped myself out. It's strange. Most of the time, with crazy people, the more I think about why they behave the way the do, the less their craziness bothers me. With Elena, it's the other way around. There's just layer on layer of madness there. It's enough to make me wonder if in some ways, she isn't the most interesting character in the series.

[lurch]

..I agree on that ..Elena,,even more so than TC,,is a tragic figure. A real heart breaker and how TC was ever able to come to terms with her demise,,no,,he never did. She was all his fault.

Because i wanted soo much for her to succeed, i had a difficult time dealing with her evolving insanity. I even started questioning myself, doubted my own thinking,,when i began to realize that she did have it for TC. SRD at his best...MEL

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The Cosmic Trilogy!? Is that what it's actually called? I've got it listed as the Perelandra Trilogy at the Lewis Fourm on Ahira's Hangar

That's the title on my old three-in-one volume anyway. I'll check it for the publisher/edition if you want. Damn, I really must hit The Hanger more often. Spend so much time here, that I totally neglect it. In fact, think I've only ever made one post, although I do go and read there occasionally. (Particularly enjoyed the Dune Encyclopedia section.)

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[Variol Farseer]

The 'Cosmic Trilogy' has also been called the 'Outer Space Trilogy', 'Planetary Trilogy' and various other names. I don't think it has an official title as such, but gets various names stuck onto it when somebody wants to print an omnibus edition.

[Kymbierlee]

How can he use it all shriveled from those cold Glimmermere waters.

She doesn't know about shrinkage! I WAS IN THE POOL! I WAS IN THE POOL!

[mickwalker]

off caurse she was a virgin, troy could't get into her pants. she was obsessed with covernant and a child of rape, sex in the land is not explored fully but it is a cpreformed after bonding not something not you do after a few to many flagans of springwin perhaps with a few diamond draft chases however she didnt ever have sex with covernant so she died a virgin and he was still her beloved

[Gadget nee Jemcheeta]

I think you might be a little 'off caurse' with that post....get it? like 'off course'? HAH!

[Nav]

Isn't it interesting that in the Land sex is viewed as a sacred thing only to be given to your one life-partner, whereas in Mordant people have a much more liberal attitude (much more liberal in certain cases).

I wonder if SRD was making a point about sexual promiscuity not necessarily going hand in hand with a developed society.

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...in the Land sex is viewed as a sacred thing only to be given to your one life-partner...

Just wondering if you have a quote or something to support this. I don't doubt you, but is there somewhere that it's explicitly stated?

--A

[Nav]

It's too long since I read the Chronicles to recall, but I seem to remember at least getting that impression from the time when Triock confronted Covenant on the way to Revelwood. Foul's eluded to something like it earlier, so maybe he knows more.

Indeed; they viewed it as a gift, and, plus, marriage was very important and highly valued in the Land--arguably much more so than in this world.

[mickwalker]

ataran tells covernant that he has ripped a sacret gift from lena which is only given to your life partner on their marrage nite. no one gets devorsed in the land when covernant says my ex wife or im devorsed they dont understand what he means however covernant certenly gives elener a divorse from foul 'elenerfoulwife' dead when he blows her away when he destroys the staff of law (no 1) strike a blow for me beloved she calles to him the mad cow, mad dead cow

[Rincewind]

its also shown right while covenant is raping lena- quote approximates to:

"she now wanted to resist, somethign sacred, that the people of the land viewed as a gift, was being taken from her"

thats out of memory mind you

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Thanks guys. I think I'll try and remember to look it up and post the quote, as the concepts in these quotes are not necessarily mtually inclusive.

A "gift" can be given to anybody, but MickWalker's "quote" explicitly says "only in marriage."

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[mickwalker]

Thanks guys. I think I'll try and remember to look it up and post the quote, as the concepts in these quotes are not necessarily mtually inclusive.

A "gift" can be given to anybody, but MickWalker's "quote" explicitly says "only in marriage."

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I think gift is a corect quote but the gift is her viginity not sex and you can nly give your viginiy once( unless your in the R.A.F.)

[Rincewind]

well, it can also be assumed the gift was only for your life partner

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That's exactly what I'm trying to work out. Whether that gift was meant only for your life partner.

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[Rincewind]

i wonder... where can you pick up a prostitute in the land...

/cough /cough

[Myste]

It's probably also useful to remember that there are different cultures in the Land, just as there are different cultures here. Stonedownors and Woodhelvennin and Ramen and Haruchai and Giants, etc.--they probably all have at least slightly different views on sex.