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I have mixed feelings about this. Maybe it's not important, but there is a part of me that feels this type of recruitment is more of a brainwash than anything else.

"You may be outcasts elsewhere, but we'll take you in." :?
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BY RACHEL LEIFER
STAFF WRITER

August 11, 2005

With their shaggy haircuts and piercings, the three teenage boys lounging atop their low-riding BMX bikes outside Glory Zone Ministry in Sayville looked more like extras from a punk rock video than churchgoers.

Enticed by a recent show featuring a visiting team of professional skateboarders, the boys were willing to stay for the Christian message afterward.

"This is awesome," said Zach Pisoni, 13, of Medford.

Packaging an evangelical message with trendy pastimes appeals to kids, and Glory Zone knows it. The skateboarding preachers from actor Stephen Baldwin's Livin' It Ministry have sold more than 100,000 DVDs and countless armbands and T-shirts, mostly to young people attracted to a brand of Christianity that approves of "countercultural" fads frowned upon by traditional churches.

"This is a new kind of Jesus movement," said Mark Gagnon, 17, of Medford, fiddling with the studs in his lower lip. "I've never been to a church where I can bring my bike."

The boys set their bikes down in front of a white tent in the parking lot on church grounds, where more than 1,000 people listened to Baldwin, a native of Massapequa, preaching from an onstage halfpipe in shorts and a Livin' It T-shirt, with a large gold cross around his neck.

"Check it out," said Baldwin, who has appeared in films such as "The Usual Suspects," "One Tough Cop" and "Bio-Dome."

"You can be a hard-core skater kid and still be a person of faith."

After describing how embracing born-again Christianity in 2002 helped him kick materialism, cigarettes and foul language, Baldwin, 39, passed the microphone to Sean Plimmer, road manager of the King of Kings Skateboard Ministry, a posse of skaters contracted to tour with Livin' It. Many are sponsored by Reliance Skateboards, a Christian company based in Nampa, Idaho.

"Thanks, Stevie B.," Plimmer said, waving to the crowd as a hip-hop beat filled the tent. "We're here to give glory to the Lord with our skills!"

Scores of children and teenagers gathered at the foot of the stage. Mouths hung agape as the athletes zoomed around the ramps while Plimmer, 26, provided play-by-play, identifying tricks like the tail-grab and the kick-flip.

When one of skater Josh Kasper's maneuvers failed, Plimmer consoled him. "We love you for who you are, not because you can do awesome tricks every time," he said.

Elijah Moore, 25, has been a skateboarder for 11 years and spent two touring with Livin' It. "Skateboarding and BMX is great entertainment that gets kids in to hear our message," said the native of Garland, Texas. "That's how we lure them in. God gave us the talent so we could preach the gospel."

Mitch Gusman, 16, of Dix Hills, said he was proud his church is including people so often miscast as rebels. "No matter who you are, God will use you," he said, recounting the tale of David, the underdog who felled a giant with a pebble.

"My skateboard is my slingshot."
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I don't see how it's brainwashing. They're targeting a demographic that has been ignored by mainstream churches. The whole idea behind Christianity is that everyone is welcome and everyone has the opportunity to be saved. I think this is a real positive move.
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You are probobly right, Cail.
Still, I don't know why exactly, but there's just something about this scenario that bothers me. It probobly shouldn't, but it does.

What's the true appeal for them, though? The fact that they can bring their bikes into church, or the religion itself?
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Like you, I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it's a simple truth that unless christianity starts appealing to the new masses, they're going to start running out of adherents, slowly but steadily.

On the other, not agreeing with christianity, and seeing as a sort of brainwashing in itself anyway, (Jam tomorrow), I might prefer it if it became less relevant in the world. (But that's just me I guess, and not a particularly tolerant viewpoint at that.)

On the whole, if it leads even to a more tolerant brand of christianity, I suppose we can't really complain.

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The fact that someone is accepting them for who they are and not judging them. And, of course, it's a pretty good message they're spreading.
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Those posts got a bit mixed up, I think. Still, I think that Cail has mentioned the essence of what may be our reluctance over the idea. In the manner of churches and cults everywhere, they're going for the acceptance and "love" first, and the actual message of faith second.

It just seems sneaky somehow, but hey, run an organisation for 2,000 odd years, you gotta be able to pull out a couple of tricks now and then. ;) :lol:

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So cynical.....Look, everyone bitches because Christianity (certain people anyway) are intolerant of everybody (gays, minorities, women, rock music, et al), so a denomination rolls around that says "come as you are", which is exactly as the Bible says it should be, and you're nervous about brainwashing?

There's no pleasing you people!
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It just seems that it would be very easy for this "denomination" to take advantage of these kids who feel they need to belong.

It starts with promises of kinship and love and belonging, and next thing you know the feds are surrounding your complex.

But you're right....I am very cynical when it comes to religion...so you are also right in saying ther is no pleasing me. :?
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On the whole, if it leads even to a more tolerant brand of christianity, I suppose we can't really complain.

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:D Still cynical though, I will admit.

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Don't get me started about the Branch Davidians and the Feds.

Sometimes things that look benign are actually benign.
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Oh, no..I sure won't. Not in this thread, anyway. I know nothing of that other than what was printed in the NY papers at the time.
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Somehow I knew Buddy Jesus would make His way into this thread.
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I aim to please. ;)
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Now that's damn funny.
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I LOVE Buddy Jesus!

I agree with Cail. I think it is fantastic that a church has a "come as you are" attitude. After all, Jesus accepted all. As a matter of fact, He accepted the worst.
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I am also kind of suspicious about this. Especially the way that guy worded it: "That's how we lure them in."
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LMAO! Good spot Lord Mhoram. :D

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I can picture it now: "Group of Radical BMXers and Boarders Pushes for Creationism in Science Class." ;)
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Heh, I know it may be funny, but that really did kind of bother me...8O
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