LOST (SEASON TWO SPOILERS)

[aTOMiC]

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when the "monster hole" blew up and that weird vapor buzzed around Tam and I both said the s-word at the same time

, then we had to profusely apologize to the kids

HAH! It was justified.

[Warmark Jay]

Nice to have an intimate "Lost" forum - the ep recap thread on Television Without Pity is up to 47 pages!

Liked the finale - although I wasn't really surprised when the evil fishermen snatched Walt, it was a chilling scene. "We're survivors of the plane crash!!" "Is that so." Gave me the CREEPS. (I'll again cast my vote for Josh Holloway to play Covenant. The man can GRIMACE.) The Hatch opening was a bit of a let down - the tunnel leading down into darkness was a bit cliche. But we don't want J.J. Abrams and Co. to show all their cards just yet - the mystery is the fun.

I must say that I'm completely stumped as to What It All Means. Gonna be a LONG summer - and I am definitely buying the DVD's! Best show on TV right now - IMHO the best show in years.

(The last scene in "Alias", BTW - THAT was a shocker!)

[dANdeLION]

LOST rocks. My 12 yo son watched the 1st half of the pilot last week, and now he's hooked. I agree about Josh Holloway....he had me ducking for cover with that last grimace of his!! My guess is that the fishermen are the "others", but the boy they wanted was obviously not the boy French chick thought they wanted. So I expect next season will begin with the 3 men getting back to the island, and they'll find some sort of evidence to go looking for Mike's son.

[wayfriend]

My guess is that the fishermen are the "others", but the boy they wanted was obviously not the boy French chick thought they wanted.

Really?!?! I guess aTOMiC does, too. Never thought of it.

I did not see it that way at all. I took the boat dudes to be your basic modern-age pirates such as roam the south pacific. When the saw the boy, they got $$$ in their eyes (as kids are a hot commodity). So they snatched the kid and torched the rest.

I have to admit, if there is some other connection, it would explain how it might even be conceivable to get Walt back. Didn't they say that they were only 15 miles off the island? They could be from the island I suppose.

But if the boat guys were the mysterious 'them', wouldn't there be some sort of overt indication, something weird about them?

[dennisrwood]

i also believe the fisher folks were the others. they had no surprise of the plane crash. and the french lady misunderstood what boy they wanted.

[Zarathustra]

Any body watching the reruns? I find them very enlightening.

JJ Abrams said in an interview that everything in this show means something. And I'm starting to treat that claim with less skepticism with each passing episode.

There are scenes and details which you can't fully appreciate until a second viewing (assuming you've seen the later episodes in which they pay off). For instance, I never noticed how Locke gave Sayid the knife which he used to stab Sawyer. During this scene, Locke even sets Sawyer up as the one who hit Sayid on the head when he was trying to send a message--but it was actually Locke who hit Sayid (revealed in the finale)! Locke lied (setting up Sawyer) and then gives Sayind the knife! Jesus! Locke used to be my favorite character, but now I don't know anymore. There's something seriously wrong with him.

My favorite character is starting to be Sawyer. At first, I couldn't stand him. (Yes, I know this is supposed to be our reaction to him.) But his understated self-loathing along with his concurrent charismatic arrogance make him a very likeable character for me. There is a kind of bravery in self-loathing, the kind that lets you withstand torture from a "genu-ine Iraqi," to face your own death with grim indifference or a sardonic smirk. It makes me feel sympathy for him in way similar to SDR's characters. Hell, he could be Nick Succurso.

There's lots more little details like that. I think that MUCH of this is all planned out--it has to be in order for these things to pay off. Thus, I think next season we will continue to see an evolution of these characters that will necessitate a complete reevaluation of them all.

[danlo]

I originally thought that Locke was like the Ethan character-I kept saying to my wife "Was he really on the plane?" and "This guy knows too much." Heck he even knows when it's going to rain! Well apparently he was on the plane--However, he has to have some deep connection to the island. He's always saying stuff like "The island will let us know." He even knew that the "monster" wouldn't hurt him and, I think, he knows where the hatch leads too...He simply knows too much. Crazy thought #215: The island is a spaceship...

[dANdeLION]

Crazy thought #215: The island is a spaceship...

That's no more crazy than the first 214. I just hope it doesn't end like King's Tommyknockers if it is, though......

BTW, I visited the LOST site and saw they were already taking orders for the season 1 DVD...how cool is that?

abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html

[Cagliostro]

I must say that I really hope this doesn't end up in disappointment like the X-Files. If anyone ends up in "the starlight" in this, I'm kicking a hole in my tv screen.
But what an amazing show so far. I love how expectations are played with and then dashed to pieces.

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Like when they were pursuing that guy who had sort of captured Charlie and the pregnant lady, and then they found him, and it looked like he would get away. I figured we had a baddie for the rest of the show. Then Charlie shot him. Amazing stuff.

[sindatur]

I must say that I really hope this doesn't end up in disappointment like the X-Files. If anyone ends up in "the starlight" in this, I'm kicking a hole in my tv screen.
But what an amazing show so far. I love how expectations are played with and then dashed to pieces.

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Like when they were pursuing that guy who had sort of captured Charlie and the pregnant lady, and then they found him, and it looked like he would get away. I figured we had a baddie for the rest of the show. Then Charlie shot him. Amazing stuff.

Ethan seemed to have two different demeanors in his appearances, and, there was at least once, when he was wearing a different shirt, but, it was not a convenient time for him to stop and change shirts, so, it's possible there are two people who look like Ethan. So the actor may be back. Although, William Mapother is gonna be on that new series (either Threshold or Invasion, I forget which)

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According to some spoilers, twins are important

[Zarathustra]

The rerun this week was extremely important in terms of plot. We get introduced to the danger of Ethan, and Locke finds the Hatchin the ground.

What I didn't notice the first time around was the red-shirt thing. Boone says something about the infamous Star Trek Red Shirt guy while he's tying red ribbons on trees so that they don't get lost while tracking down Ethan Rom. The writers/producers intended to kill him all along! From press rumors at the time, I thought they hadn't made a decision to kill him off until an episode or two before it happened. But no, this was clearly intended from the beginning of his relationship with Locke. And Locke knew it!! He knew that Boone teaming up with him would mean his death. He gave him an opportunity to turn back just before they found the Hatch, with much significance tied to this choice.

During their hike, while they're searching for Ethan, Boone says, "What exactly are we following?" Locke says, "My gut." They are no longer following a trail. Locke is no longer trying to find Charley and Claire. He is concerned with what his "gut" is telling him (further contrast between him and the doctor, who follows reason). I think this is more evidence that Locke cannot be trusted, and is possibly malicious. He cares more about the Island's mysteries than about his fellow Lostians.

[danlo]

I wish you hadn't said that. Now I want a t-shirt that says "Lostian" (**[in Groucho Marx voice]: or Lost again... **)

[sindatur]

Malick23,

I agree with almost everything you said, except for the part about Locke being malicious, or knowing at that time Boone was bound for a dirt nap. Locke probably did have a feeling it wasn't a good idea for Boone to tag along, but I don't think at that time he knew Boone would die, I'm sure he knew it when he sent him into the plane though.

He definitely is beginning to show too much faith in the island and what it wants, thought, I'll grant you that.

First episode title seems to indicate this as well

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Man of Science, Man of Faith

[Queeaqueg]

It is finally on in Britian. I have watched the first two and I think it is good.

[Cagliostro]

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Okay, I think after the episode last night, that I finally pieced together that the "Sawyer" that is the regular guy on the show (who I now think his real name is James) was the kid under the bed whose dad shot his mom, and then himself. It seems perfectly obvious to me now, but I didn't pick it up the first time. I feel dumb. But it totally explains the character of "Sawyer."

[sindatur]

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Yes, it was his flashback, so, that is what we believe. Outlaws plays out what we learn in Confidence Man and expands upon it.

I wouldn't be 100% confident on the name being his true name though.

[Cagliostro]

Yeah this show is so tricksy, I can't take anything as 100%. It seems like every time I have a grasp on something going on, it turns out not to be true.

[lurch]

...I finally have watched "LOST"...I had nearly let network TV go with the demise of my favorite "ED". Literally lost faith in network TV.

So..hearing all the buzz about "Lost" has finally found its way to my interests,,and boy was my heart gladden..my faith in human kind has been restored. And I have only seen two episodes. Any body posting recently over at ABC.com has enuf clues to kno who i am over there and what is to follow.

Like "Ed"..two seasons over with and still many viewers "stumped" as to what the show is. I have seen only two epi's..Con Man and Lost in Translation. Yes, I've read up on all the epi summarys and the zillions of threads concerning "Lost". Its amazing how many try too hard..can't see the forest for the trees kinda thing.

"Lost" is Surrealism on Network TV taken to new heights. The beginning of most episodes is what? a close up of...somebody's eye. Big clue there. The "eye" is a surreal symbol of the gateway to the interior existance of a human being and if seen from the interior,,the eye is the gateway to the exterior world...This is the important connect part...Surrealism translates the secret associations which relate the innerworld of a man to the exterior world containing him...surrealism is a means of re-uniting conscious and unconscious realms of experience.

Sounds like "Lost" to a T...all the flashbacks are...memorys..stored where?..in the brain..the Island is the classic symbol of exterior containment...what is more surreal than a polar bear on a tropical island? Each episode is a moral fable,,where memories from the interior interact with new exterior reality...I suggest a " google" on surrealism just to get a foundation of understanding the media " vocabulary" being used in the production of "Lost".

The granddaddy and yet to be surpassed TV Surrealist shows was.." The Prisoner",,late sixties. Google it,,it still has fan clubs that meet every so often and discuss it...it was that good..or far out. of course there was " Twilight Zone,,with its..floating Eye wandering about during the opening credits..then came shows like Northern Exposure,,Twin Peaks,,eventually " Ed" that where all part of the evolution of surrealism on TV. But "Lost" harkens back to the full mental stretch of " The Prisoner"..After watching more shows..perhaps even getting the season 1 DVD..i may conclude that Lost surpasses The Prisoner...What I saw in Lost In Translation...suggested an evolution of the craft beyond anything I've ever seen before...Most of an episode in Sub Titles...freekin amazing,,and they pulled it off..it worked. The surrealism of .." the word". It was a variant of the O'Henri twist but done in sub titles..the guy gives up everything that would have kept the relationship together, in the name of saving the relationship..

Talk About Hope and Despair....there it was symbolized, surrealy,,in one word..its utterance was so powerful at different levels..".Boat!."...Like " The Prisoner",,there are basic thematic questions being surfaced in each episode...Again , the interior interfacing with the exterior...In Translation seemed to ask,,,how much of the " I" is to be sacrificed for the " Us" in any relationship...how much must be kept for maintaining Honor and therefore also the health of the "Us"..Little Walt burnt the boat soley for his " I" with huge consequences to the overall " Us"....wait till Michael finds out!!..Jin sacrificed his total "I" for hanging on to Sun..and lost the whole deal...but he redeemed himself..restored his sense of value and honor to himself..by compromising to learn one English word and saying it...Boat........MEL

[Zarathustra]

Lurch, glad you're finally on board with this one. I didn't realize how sorely I missed your input on this until you provided it.

If you think this show is good now, just wait until multiple viewings. It just gets better each time, when you can put the pieces into their larger structure . . . and STILL come out confused!

But this show wouldn't work if it were just an enigma. It's true strength lies in its characters and the powerful, emotional scenes used to tell their stories. When he said, "boat," I felt tears moisten my eyes . . . and I'm watching freakin' ABC!! I've experienced many such moments while watching this show. I'm going to pick up the DVD asap.

[wayfriend]

FYI ... "Get ready for the season premiere of Lost on Wednesday, September 21 at 9/8c!"