Time Storm

[Tiliqua]

I don't know what/who caused the time storm that Anele first walked into, that led to him losing the Staff of Law. I feel this is a key point that must be explained in following novels.

Have I missed something or is everyone else equally in the dark?

[Usivius]

if I am not mistaken (and I have only read it once so far), all caseurs (sp) are 'created' by Joan's madness, and possession. No one else, as far as we have heard, has the ability to create new ones. Esmer merely 'called' one to a location...

[dlbpharmd]

I believe that is correct, Joan is the source of ceasures we've seen prior to Linden coming to the Land. Linden created the ceasure that brought herself and her companions forward in time to Revelstone.

[Tiliqua]

I know the time between the two worlds is different but by my calculations this time storm happened before Joan had access to white gold.

[wayfriend]

Yes, but the time storms go back in time. Pesky time storms!

What I think is a more burning question is, how did she do it without going to the Land?

[dlbpharmd]

Joan is in the Land now - maybe the ceasure that brought Anele forward was created after Joan came to the Land? Hmmmmm.....

[Tiliqua]

But the Staff of Law has been missing for a very long time, if Joan is responsible doesn't that infer parallell universes? Ie there must be a land that doesn't have Kevins dirt etc. This is not a very elegant solution.

[NightBlaze]

As I recall, Anele had left the staff in a cave, and had wandered off to look at something. I cant remember what he went to study, but in the time he was gone, the waynhim had discovered it and took the staff to keep it safe.
The second part here is Anele blundered back to retrieve the staff, it was gone. He look for years for the staff, then eventually blundered into a caesure. The problem here is we dont know how many "years" he searched before he walked into the caesure. Also, I dont recall him taking a caesure forward in time, rather, he eventually seen one and ran from it. And the Masters. This brings up a few disgressions with how long the caesures have been there at all. There were only a few moments between Joan going to the land and Linden. But, Joan was mentally messed up. She had possession of her wedding ring for 3 months before Roger boy showed up. Remember, the physical body doesnt actually get summoned. Joan could have been in the land a long time while she was near catatonia. If thats the case, she could have been there, what, 20-30 years? If the time frame is right from when Joan got her ring put on her by Linden, then, she was in the land about 50 years. That fits the tiome frame for the caesures given to Linden by Stave.

[dlbpharmd]

Not quite, Nightblaze. Anele left the SoL in the cave to investigate a ceasure, then was trapped inside the ceasure and thrown forward in time. He went back to the cave (in the future) and the SoL wasn't there.

[ur-monkey]

Joan could have been in the land a long time while she was near catatonia. If thats the case, she could have been there, what, 20-30 years? If the time frame is right from when Joan got her ring put on her by Linden, then, she was in the land about 50 years. That fits the tiome frame for the caesures given to Linden by Stave.

I think u'r right about the connection between Linden giving Joan the ring in our world and the onset of Caesures in the land, but perhaps a bit inaccurate about the timeframe. The ratio has always been roughly 1 day = 1 year...Joans 3 months would account for about 90 yrs in the land, which is in perfect keeping with Stave's account, as he says Caesures began 4 or 5 generations (80-100 yrs) ago.

The intriguing bit is that Joan calmed down a lot after having been given the ring - either Foul stopped attacking her, or perhaps the power of the ring translated her 'internal' madness into an affliction of the Land because of the ring's intimate historical connection with it...?

What do you think?

[finn]

Caesures have been in the Land only c.90 years. The Caesure that brought Linden and assorted company back from the past, was created by Linden.

Who then created the Caesure that Anele went to investigate and which brought Anele forward in time?

[Avatar]

An excellent question, and one I've wondered about myself. Where the hell did the damn thing come from?

--A

[I'm Murrin]

Anele's inherent Earthpower, just like the Ur-Viles' and Demondim's lore, allowed Anele to sense the part of Joan's caesures which is projected back through time. As SRD has explained, the caesures touch every moment in time at once, but have more effect in the periods following the breaking of the Laws of Life and Death.

[Avatar]

Interesting. If all caesures project back in time, I wonder if the one that trapped Anele was the one that Linden created to go back and look for the staff? Wouldn't that be ironic?

(Although, maybe she had to go back, so that Anele could have been transported the first time?) Damn! When you start playing with time, things get complicated quickly, don't they?

--A

[I'm Murrin]

Linden's first caesure was backwards flowing, so wouldn't have taken Anele into the future. I suppose it is possible that the caesure Linden used was the same one that had transported Anele before that, because Linden didn't created that caesure - she used one that was already there.
The second caesure, which Linden created, was made to drop off everything it contained at a specific place and time, then destroyed.

[Avatar]

Good points Murrin, had forgotten the details, and was just letting my "mouth" run.

--A

[Tiliqua]

I'm glad that there are some other people who are having trouble explaining the caesure that Anele first stepped in to.

For me a fantasy novel, is of course totally a work of imagination, but for it to work it must be logical within the parameters created by the author. The mystery of 'Anele's' ceasure must be properly explained by SRD or else I will have to regard it as a major flaw in an otherwise brilliant literary effort.

[dlbpharmd]

Linden's first caesure was backwards flowing, so wouldn't have taken Anele into the future.

Ceasures run forward in time only.

ROTE, Part 2 chapter 5:

Despite [the ceasure's] internal insanity, it was like a river: it ran in only one direction.

Linden needed to do more than simply endure until the ceasure cast her onto its banks. She needed to swim against the current, drawing her companions with her.

[Tiliqua]

Obviously ceasures run backwards in time, Linden took her party back in time to seek the staff of law. But when they arrived Anele was long gone, so it wasn't her caesure that took him away.

[Warmark]

IIRC - they always run forwards, but linden ( plus the white gold and the ranhyhn) allowed it to go backwards.

I think. I need to reread Runes.