Quick Religion Question
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Quick Religion Question
If I was baptised, but no longer believe in God, would I be classed as an atheist, or is there some kind of grey-area? That is the case for me, and I've been wondering for a while.
Last edited by Spring on Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
If you don't believe in God, you're an Atheist. If you think there might be a god of some kind out there, you're Agnostic. If you think you're an Atheist, but think that your Baptism has some mitigating effect on Atheism, you're in denial.
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I'd hold off on that baptism thing. It's like a get out of jail free card, and once you use it, that's usually it.
I've read that the Catholics are removing limbo from the dogma, but Mormons, at least, still believe in it. It's where all the unbaptized go. And considering Mormons will baptize you post-mortem, in absentia, so to speak... well, if you're wrong, you can still get in.
I was baptized when I was ten, so it's too late for me.
Assuming you do it, though, just make sure the pastor puts down the microphone first.
I've read that the Catholics are removing limbo from the dogma, but Mormons, at least, still believe in it. It's where all the unbaptized go. And considering Mormons will baptize you post-mortem, in absentia, so to speak... well, if you're wrong, you can still get in.
I was baptized when I was ten, so it's too late for me.
Assuming you do it, though, just make sure the pastor puts down the microphone first.
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Spring, you're fine. your early baptism doesn't cancel out your beliefs AND being only 14, you've got a pretty good amount of time yet to decide what those are, buddy. you're fine.
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have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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I was baptised as Roman Catholic a few months after birth because if I hadn't been, my mother's family would probably have disowned her - how can you be Polish, after all, and not be Roman Catholic? I'm an apathetic agnostic bordering on atheist, though, and it certainly makes no difference to me that I was baptised. It is how you think and what you believe, not what was done to you in the name of religion/tradition, that makes you who you are. Even if your baptism was voluntary, you always have the right to change your mind.
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if its in the process of vanishing you could say that limbo is in limbo.-
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www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_ ... 02,00.html
Catholic Limbo ruling in limbo
From correspondents in Vatican City
30nov05
THE days of Limbo, the place the Catholic Church says unbaptised babies go, may be numbered.
According to Italian media reports today, an international theological commission will advise Pope Benedict to eliminate the teaching about limbo from Catholic catechism.
The Catholic Church teaches that babies who die before they can be baptised go to limbo, whose name comes from the Latin for "border" or "edge", because they deserve neither heaven nor hell.
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So then, what... Does the international theological commission think it is able to cause the destruction of limbo? Or are they telling the pope that the Catholic Church's teachings have been wrong all along?
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And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
Certainly wouldn't be the first time - but where will the Dispensation Money come from, without Limbo?
(Purgatory's in Limbo, right? I thought that's how it worked...)
(Purgatory's in Limbo, right? I thought that's how it worked...)
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"If you're going to tell people the truth, you'd better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you." - George Bernard Shaw
-- James Madison
"If you're going to tell people the truth, you'd better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you." - George Bernard Shaw
The Bible teaches that baptism is an outward expression of an inner belief. So, many people are baptised as children, which really doesn't make much sense. It doesn't mean anything to the kid.
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"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.
I believe in the One who says there is life after this.
Now tell me how much more open can my mind be?
"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.
I believe in the One who says there is life after this.
Now tell me how much more open can my mind be?
Well, if you want the religious explanation... strictly speaking the Gospels claim that Jesus told Peter, upon granting him mandate to found the Church, "whatever you will bind on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven". This mandate was to be passed on to all of Peter's successors. So, since the Pope is Peter's successor, if he were to decide that limbo does not exist, and publicly, officially say so, then according to the mandate as given in the Gospels limbo actually would not only cease to exist, it would never have existed at all.Fist and Faith wrote:So then, what... Does the international theological commission think it is able to cause the destruction of limbo? Or are they telling the pope that the Catholic Church's teachings have been wrong all along?
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So the people that bought indulgences, when the practice was later repealed, ended up getting kicked out of heaven? Or, wait, the fabric of reality would've changed so that they actually would've never been there. Man, that would suck. Hmm, so the priests that sold the indulgences would've been guilty of theft, then. It must be a pain in the neck for God every time a new pope changes something.
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Syl wrote:It must be a pain in the neck for God every time a new pope changes something.
"We probably could have saved ourselves, but we were too damned lazy to try very hard... and too damn cheap." - Kurt Vonnegut
"Now if you remember all great paintings have an element of tragedy to them. Uh, for instance if you remember from last week, the unicorn was stuck on the aircraft carrier and couldn't get off. That was very sad. " - Kids in the Hall
"Now if you remember all great paintings have an element of tragedy to them. Uh, for instance if you remember from last week, the unicorn was stuck on the aircraft carrier and couldn't get off. That was very sad. " - Kids in the Hall