Runes Summoning injuries

[Sunbaneglasses]

O.K From previous readings we can deduce that #1 Joan will get burned up/fried in TLCTC #2 Roger will recieve a massive chest wound"Roger's chest exploded in a spray of blood"#3 Linden will cut her hand and will recieve some sort of wound where she was shot.#4 Perhaps Jeremiah will be rendered catatonic befor his retranslation to what we will call"reality"?If he was not shot,perhaps the blood/harm needed for his summoning was inflicted years ago in the time of the second crons.Discounting the Sandy/Lytton summoning theories that have been put out there.Does anyone have any theories how these characters will recieve their wounds and or deaths in The Land?I'm saying Joan is a goner,Roger 90% chance of expiration,I believe Linden and Jeremiah will survive.Of course SRD could suspend this trend,but I doubt it.

[Nerdanel]

There is a chance that the people who received bullet wounds will receive bullet wounds again. After all, there is every reason to suspect that Roger still has his gun and some bullets.

Attempting to do a breakdown of Roger's bullet usage:

- 1 bullet for the hospital door
- 1 bullet to kill Bill Coty
- 1 bullet for Linden's door
- 1 bullet that missed Sandy

Roger killed Avis Cardaman and Sara Clint in ways other than shooting them. I'm not familiar with guns at all, but from what I've heard, Roger should still have bullets left.

Also, we know that Lytton had an extra clip on his belt. (Linden saw it when she met Lytton.) Unless Lytton had another gun hidden somewhere in addition to the one he laid down, Roger would be the only one in the Land with a gun to potentially benefit from that clip. (I think Lytton is in the Land as is Sandy. I think Sandy will live and Lytton will die.)

[Sunbaneglasses]

I just don't see Roger doing any 'Gunslinging' in The Land the idea just seems very out of place,SRD is far more creative IMO.

[ur-bane]

Hmmm...and what of Foul?
We know he translates a part of himself to Covenant's "real world" (bonfire behind the house on Haven Farm). So, maybe...just maybe, at the end of the Last Chronicles, Linden or Jeremiah or even Covenant will send Foul to the "real" world, where he will be trapped, and cut off from the magic of white gold and earthpower, much the same way Covenant used the power of white gold to send Linden back to his dying body. Save me!

Then, whether the Land lives or dies, at least Foul will no longer be able to escape, because he'll be stuck in "real" time. The End.

[Sunbaneglasses]

I once posted the same idea,with the tag line of Foul ending up living under a bridge somewhere drinking Wild Irish Rose.

[Creator]

Hmmm...and what of Foul?
We know he translates a part of himself to Covenant's "real world" (bonfire behind the house on Haven Farm). So, maybe...just maybe, at the end of the Last Chronicles, Linden or Jeremiah or even Covenant will send Foul to the "real" world, where he will be trapped, and cut off from the magic of white gold and earthpower, much the same way Covenant used the power of white gold to send Linden back to his dying body. Save me!

Then, whether the Land lives or dies, at least Foul will no longer be able to escape, because he'll be stuck in "real" time. The End.

Hmmmm .... if that happened in our past who in the "real world" could be Foul?

[Nerdanel]

On the contrary, I can see Roger shooting someone in the Land, just not going gunslinging since he doesn't have very many bullets. The point is that guns are very powerful in their limited area. With a loaded gun Roger could be about as deadly as a Lord to another person. In a confrontation of Roger with a gun vs. Linden with the Staff of Law it isn't at all certain who would win, but it would likely be the one with the fastest draw.

I don't think all would need to be over for Foul if he got stuck in the "real world". I can see him going into politics. If Creator and the Despiser are opposites and Creator was a beggar, I could see a filthy rich Lord Foul living in a guarded mansion somewhere and trying to get some puppet as the president. Manipulating people is Foul's specialty and that doesn't rely on magic. He is also highly intelligent, and I think would pick up modern technology quickly. Also, the feasibility of magic in the "real world" is open. We know Foul could do some magic in the "real world" while reaching from the Land. It is unknown if he could do that completely in the "real world".

My guess for the end would be that Foul gets imprisoned in an all-new Arch of Time, this time without innocent people inside.

[Xar]

Just remember that the fact the Creator always appeared as a beggar does not mean he is in fact a beggar: not only does he appear to have power in Covenant's world (by healing him of his allergic reaction, back in TPTP), not only does he seem to be able to predict who will be summoned and to appear in time to give them cryptic warnings (or to make sure they know there's an alternative to Foul's Despite), he also hardly behaves as a beggar (see the opening scene in LFB) and appears to be capable of prodigious feats (the whole heart attack/miraculous recovery/disappearance scene in TWL).

I think the Creator is not restricted to Covenant's real world; he takes the form of a beggar because it pleases him/it suits his purpose, but he could likely look whatever way he wanted. It's just that the impact of a beggar who asks you questions of ethics and behaves as if honor-bound in some way is much more noteworthy than a well-dressed gentleman stopping you on the street and asking you eloquently what you would do. Not to mention the fact that, as far as we know, it could be that the Creator takes the appearance of a beggar to symbolize the need the Land has of someone to rescue it from Foul's grasp.

[Nerdanel]

But the Creator wasn't able to cure Covenant's leprosy in the "real world" so it appears that there are some limits involved when the Creator is visiting in person. I think the difference is that surviving an allergic reaction in a hospital is scientifically plausible and maybe even not too unlikely (depending on the circumstances) but leprosy spontaneously disappearing would break a Law.

However I think there is a marked difference in character between the Creator and Foul so that while the Creator is humble enough to go around dressed as a beggar, Lord Foul, the guy who likes to be feared and/or worshipped, would find that intolerable. He would strive to get into a better situation and I think he would get there.

[Xar]

But the Creator wasn't able to cure Covenant's leprosy in the "real world" so it appears that there are some limits involved when the Creator is visiting in person. I think the difference is that surviving an allergic reaction in a hospital is scientifically plausible and maybe even not too unlikely (depending on the circumstances) but leprosy spontaneously disappearing would break a Law.

Strictly speaking, that's not true... the Creator didn't cure Covenant's leprosy, that's true, but we do not know whether he could or not. Covenant himself refused to ask this boon out of him when the Creator claimed he wanted to give him something - it could be that, had Covenant asked him, the Creator would have healed him of his leprosy.

[Creator]

I agree that the Creator probably could have cured Covenant of his leprosy in the "real" world. His comment about his indebtedness to Covenant at the end of TPTP seems to indicate that ability. BUT, his comment did seem to hint at some restrictions on what he could do. (I don't have the exact wording at hand.)

[ur-bane]

I once posted the same idea,with the tag line of Foul ending up living under a bridge somewhere drinking Wild Irish Rose.

Phooey. And here I was thinking I was being all original and such.

Hmmmm .... if that happened in our past who in the "real world" could be Foul?

Bill Gates?

[Nerdanel]

Dick Cheney?

[dlbpharmd]

Hillary Clinton?

[Jerico]

Nope its SRD himself! Who keeps us waiting for these freaking books for 3 years. He must be Foul!!

[ur-bane]

Look at it this way--more than 1/3 of that time has passed already! Although it's been over a year, it seems like just yesterday I finished reading it for the first time--although I know for people like jay, it was yesterday.

[native]

One thing that occurs is that whereas Covenant, Joan and Linden could all heal themselves with Wild Magic after arriving in the Land, any of the others would be just as wounded when they arrived as when they left the real world - as per Hile Troy.

So Roger may have been DOA.

[Avatar]

Interesting point Native. Although, it may depend on the extent of control he had over his mothers ring, or the extent of her own control over it.

Don't see any evidence for Lytton being there myself, although would have to re-read it. Nobody was touching him at the moment of translation or anything.

As for Rogers gun...maybe, maybe not. Don't recall a description of it, so he could have anywhere between 1 and 10 bullets, which could certainly be devastating in the Land (assuming that it worked.) Was he still holding it at the moment? Or had he dropped it under the impact of the bullets which struck him?

--A

[Matthias]

Rogers gun was (I think--correct me if i'm wrong) described as being as long as Linden's arm. perhaps a muffler on the end of it extended its length?

[NickS]

Linden is shot through the chest before her transition to the Land, she dies in the real world. Roger dies too, I'm not sure about the Joan though.