The Creator's wife?

Post by **jehannum_2000** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:08 pm

In WL, Sunder sings a song of the Clave that speaks of a-Jeroth's seduction of the Master's (i.e. presumably the Creator's) wife, and even names her (surname: Mininderain).

Does anyone have any conjecture about this, or indeed, the origins of the names 'a-Jeroth' or 'na-Mhoram'?

Peter.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:52 pm

Wow! I didn't remember this at all! I have to read TWL again. (Maybe the other books too.

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However, I still love your avatar!!!!!

Post by **Romeo** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:52 pm

Interesting passage - I don't think I ever noticed that before.

"na-Mhoram" came directly from Lord "Mhoram" - it said so in the book (during the soothtell?). I suspect, but I'm not sure, that "Mhoram" came from SRD's agent's name - Howard Morhaim. It's just too much of a coincidence.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:31 am

Mhoram waas indeed named after SRD's agent.

I have no recollection of any mention of the Creator's wife, though I was probably preoccupied with the plight of the Land at that point, as I have only read TWL once (too gruelling for a second read)

Post by **Furls Fire** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:06 am

Chapter 8: The Corruption of the Sun, The Wounded Land:

'Oh come, my love, and bed with me:
Your mate knows neither lust nor heart--
Forget him in this ecstasy.
I joy to play the treacher's part.'
Acute with blandishments and spells
Spoke a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

Diassomer Mininderain,
The mate of might, and Master's wife,
All stars' and heavens' chatelaine,
With power over realm and strife,
Attended well, the story tells,
To a-Jeroth and the Sevens Hells

With a-Jeroth the lady ran;
Diassommer with fear and dread
Fled from the Master's ruling span.
On Earth she hides her trembling head,
While all about her laughter wells
From a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

'Forgive!' She cries with woe and pain;
Her treacher's laughter hurts her sore.
'His blandishments have been my bane.
I yearn my Master to adore.'
For in her ears the spurning knells
Of a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

Wrath is the Master--fire and rage.
Retribution fills his hands.
Attacking comes he, sword and gage,
'Gainst treachery in all the lands.
Then crippled are the cunning spells
Of a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

Mininderain he treats with rue;
No heaven-home for broken trust,
But children given to pursue
All treachery to death and dust.
Thus Earth became a gallow-fells.
For a-Jeroth of the Seven Hells.

I took this as just another lie of the Clave. They twisted all the old legends and stories to make it seem like the Creator or Master was a vengeful "God". This is a lie to explain the existance of Foul in the Land, and the Sunbane was punishment to "her" children, the people of the Land, for "her" infidility. I think the Clave made her up so the people would believe they deserved the Sunbane.

This book broke my heart

Post by **danlo** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:22 am

Here's a thought...perhaps Mininderain is Earthpower?

Post by **Furls Fire** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:24 am

hmmm...now that is interesting...would that make the Elohim her children?

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:12 am

Ah, I remember that poem now. I think I just dismissed the mention of the wife as mere poetic licence on the part of whichever Raver originated this legend. Interesting thought about the Earthpower...

Post by **[Syl]** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:02 am

But myth is often based on history, and we know how Foul likes to distort the truth rather than break it. I'd say it's a perverted history of Berek and his queen.

Post by **variol son** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:50 pm

thats something worth considering. It would definately poison the last vestiges of bereks legend, & thats seems 2 b a major part of samadhi's job as na-Mhoram.

sum sui generis

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:14 am

Actually, I have always wondered about Berek and his queen anyway...as far as I know we are never told who Damelon's mother is, and if it was the queen, he might have been conceived in an act of adultery, as she was married, and not to Berek...and we are never told her fate at the close of the war, and whether or not she even survived, much less remarried to Berek...
I have many questions about the Old Lords...I hope that some of them might be answered in the Third Chrons...

Post by **CovenantJr** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 3:53 am

duchess of malfi wrote:as far as I know we are never told who Damelon's mother is

If you wanted to know about Damelon's parents, you should have asked him when you visited

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 6:53 am

LOL Junior

I agree that it's just a petty distorting of the Land's early teachings. Probably Berek and his Queen. I do not think that the Creator actually had a wife...

Post by **Furls Fire** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 7:16 am

Hmmm...very interesting... We know so little about Berek, Damelon, Loric and Kevin. Maybe the Queen and Berek did get together. We do know that Berek "loved" his Queen. And that this story of the Clave's was an extreme distortion of it. They poisoned everything else.

Post by **variol son** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:34 pm

i always just assumed that bereks queens was damelons mum, since there arent any other women mentioned.

sum sui generis

Post by **Tulizar** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:16 am

And since so little is known about these ancient heroes (by those under the Clave's rule) the Clave's distortions are so much easier to create. They could pretty much say whatever suited their needs despite the inaccuracies. The Clave is simply misleading a suffering people who have virtually no true knowledge of Kevin, Loric and Damelon.

Or maybe the Creator's wife was getting a little bored ruling the stars and such. It happens.

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The Creator's wife?

The Creator's wife?