Funny, I thought there was already a topic for this. Anyway, came across this clip this morning. I'm generally not one for conspiracies, but I'll say this clip is compelling, at least. Got me to watch all 80 minutes of it.
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Hmm, played straight out of Firefox for me. *shrug*
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I've seen a couple of these things. They're interesting, but I don't give them a lot of salt.
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I prefer them with onions and garlic...... 
I suspend disbelief, myself, which just means I believe there are A) people capable of thinking of this stuff, B)people capable of orchestrating this stuff, and C)people who have the power and capability to execute this stuff...
...and the current administration is certainly capable of something like this, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney? They'd kill their grandma to "rule the world", they maybe just found a way to do it in the name of "freedom", which sickens me more at the thought of it.....
I suspend disbelief, myself, which just means I believe there are A) people capable of thinking of this stuff, B)people capable of orchestrating this stuff, and C)people who have the power and capability to execute this stuff...
...and the current administration is certainly capable of something like this, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney? They'd kill their grandma to "rule the world", they maybe just found a way to do it in the name of "freedom", which sickens me more at the thought of it.....
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Aah, thanks Esmer. Yeah, surely this isn't new, is it? I posited something like it myself in fact, somewhere in the 'Tank.
Like you, I think I'll ssuspend my disbelief. It requires a far more merciless and power-hungry administration than I like to think of America as having, but I certainly agree that it is possible. And nor would the cynic in me be surprised.
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Like you, I think I'll ssuspend my disbelief. It requires a far more merciless and power-hungry administration than I like to think of America as having, but I certainly agree that it is possible. And nor would the cynic in me be surprised.
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While it's certainly possible, it falls apart when it comes to secrecy. Someone would have blabbed about it.
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Yeah, it's not like they're any good at keeping corruption and sex secret, why should this be any different. Sure. And that's the problem I have with most conspiracy theories. The idea that that many people can keep a secret to themselves and not use it for personal gain seems more fantastical than the actual conspiracy theory.
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Conspiracy theories are for frustrated writers; no logic behind them, and are only propped up by some ridiculous ability to connect disparate facts. Funny how Occam's Razor goes out the window, but people are more willing to accept some convoluted story than the most logical or reasonable explanation (9/11 a case in point). And the whole conspiracy market is a haven for fraud artists (such as the case with the 'fake moon landing' nonsense or the 'holocaust never happening' theory).
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Dude, Occam's Razor was a total conspiracy.
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I pretty much agree LM, although, their very unlikelihood means thatthere is that much less chance of people picking a real one out of all the dross.Loremaster wrote:Conspiracy theories are for frustrated writers; no logic behind them, and are only propped up by some ridiculous ability to connect disparate facts. Funny how Occam's Razor goes out the window, but people are more willing to accept some convoluted story than the most logical or reasonable explanation (9/11 a case in point). And the whole conspiracy market is a haven for fraud artists (such as the case with the 'fake moon landing' nonsense or the 'holocaust never happening' theory).
The simple fact that most conspiracy theories are crazy whacked-out ideas with little of no connection to reality could provide a near perfect cover for a real one. Because everybody knows conspiracy theorists are nuts...
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