Was Covenant older than The Land?

[Fist and Faith]

but in fact .. it is arguably so.

For the only reality that we actually know exists, most assuredly.

TIME/SPACE .. temporally interwined into the fabric of the existence continuum .. any existence continuum

You may be right. Not much chance of finding out, I'm afraid. But we often learn things by assuming things we "know" can't be true, and working from that assumption. I wonder what those who know about physics, relativity, quantum, and all that stuff could learn (or have learned?) by assuming realites without time.

and anyway .. as to my point about communication .. that was to demonstrate that the simple act of communication with other worlds .. or leaving one world to visit another .. does not disrupt our TIME/SPACE continuum .. our existence ..

the earth's temporal integrity remains intact

True. As long as we stay within the same reality, like visiting or communicating with a planet around, say, Rigel, I can't imagine how our temporal integrity would be threatened.

just as the Lands .. even though TC and others entered it .. and notwithstanding Drool, Foul etc.. commicating with our world ..

the AoT remained untouched .. or intact .. thus preserving its unique TIME/SPACE existence ..

Indubitably!

[Skyweir]

*snickers*

"Rigel' LOL ..

anyway what is reality? .. and what would be "the same" .. reality?

I dont think thats a necessary pre-requisite to preserving our own worlds existence lol .. but i guess it could be

[Gil galad]

OH DEAR! someone lock this thread before its too late! the question of what is reality has been asked, it only goes downhill from here. Go and ask someone from the philosophy faculty, i dont think metaphysics discussions were meant for the beauty of the land, i'd hate to spoil the watch with them!

[Fist and Faith]

I'm just saying we don't know what would happen if we opened any sort of "door" - which, for all we know, could be any form of communication - to a reality that had a different time-scheme. Maybe the two realities would behave like blowing a hole in a submarine, one trying to fill the other. Or maybe it would be like a matter/anti-matter reaction. If our reality discovered another where time behaved differently than it does here, maybe it wouldn't go as smoothly as it does between Covenant's and the Land's Earths.

How's that, j_g? Did I cause further desecration??

[Skyweir]

well funny you should say that .. because time as you are aware does go differently between Covenant's and the Land's earth

dont worry gedi_gms .. we have already been down that path on a number of threads

its always fun .. and never the cause of any ritual of desercrations .. lol .. yet anyway LOL

but there's always a first especially if theirs a Fist!! LOL

[Gil galad]

*cringes face and goes mmmmmmeeeehhhh*

realities, matter/antimatter, temporal space time, space time continuities, fabric of reality..........

All i'm saying is please be carefull trying to reduce things to phyical and mathematica explanations unless you are confident with the concepts and mathematics of what you are trying to do. Most of the concepts you are referring to are merely mathematical models of phenomena, Talking about it without understanding is very pseudosciencey, like using big words people dont fully comprehend to justify an argument because no one can argue against what they dont have a clue what the hell it is! *sigh*

[Skyweir]

((((jedi_gms)))) .. its ok .. very few of us actually know what we're talking about most times .. their just ideas and notions we toss around ..

mostly what we discuss is pure speculation .. and even LOL .. nonsense ..

its just a bit of harmless fun and nevertheless can be extremely interesting ..

I'll take care not to use too much BS .. but it wont be easy

jk .. but this is how ideas are born and great discoveries made lol .. tossing about notions ..

[Gil galad]

Ideas are born like that but great discoveries are 1% inspiration 99% hard work

[Fist and Faith]

well funny you should say that .. because time as you are aware does go differently between Covenant's and the Land's earth

We having two different conversations? Wouldn't be the first time for you and me.

but there's always a first especially if theirs a Fist!! LOL

And there always seems to be a Fist, doesn't there?

[Skyweir]

We having two different conversations? Wouldn't be the first time for you and me

true .. but umm?? *is momentarily confused* LOL

If our reality discovered another where time behaved differently than it does here, maybe it wouldn't go as smoothly as it does between Covenant's [world] and the Land's Earths.

LOL

well funny you should say that .. because time as you are aware does go differently between Covenant's [world] and the Land's earth

so why would we assume it would be any different for us going to another world where time is not homogenous with our own?

[Landwaster]

.. and never the cause of any ritual of desercrations .. lol .. yet anyway LOL

*perk*

[Skyweir]

*poink*

[Fist and Faith]

so why would we assume it would be any different for us going to another world where time is not homogenous with our own?

I'm not assuming it would be different, I'm saying we have no way of knowing. Now I could be (dare I say it??? ) wrong (ooo, that smarts!), but it seems to me that you're assuming these imaginings of a fantasy author are evidence of how it would work in our reality.

There was a pretty fun episode of Voyager where the ship got caught above this planet where time was going MUUUUUCH faster than it was away from the planet. Every several seconds on the ship was a few years on the planet.

[Furls Fire]

Star Trek plays alot with the concept of Time. I remember the one episode where there were little rifts in Time and the shuttle that Picard and a few others were riding in passed thru one, and there were little "pockets" of time moving at different speeds everywhere. And the Enterprise itself was stuck in one where time seemed to be standing still.

I think we talked about Time in the Land and here before in another thread. When we were trying to figure out if the ROD was done right at the time TC's leprosy was diagnosed. And that how it seemed to have "slowed" in the Land between the first and second chrons. 1 month passes in our reality and 40 years pass in the Land. Well, if we hold to that formula...then between the first and second chrons over 12,000 years should pass by our 10. But, it isn't like that. So maybe Time is slowing down in the Land now. Becoming closer to our own? Maybe, by the time the Last Chrons begin, The Land will be so close to our time that it will have only been 10 years that pass and not thousands like before...

Sorry, just some random ramblings on my part...

[Skyweir]

LOL ..

however .. it is not uncommon to analyse how various fantasy themes actually function .. and the point you seem to be raising is .. rather unclear to me ..

it seemed that you were suggesting as quoted above ..

that if .. from our world .. we .. come in contact with another world where time moves differently to our own .. <well this accounts for all the planets in our solar system>

and you seemed to say .. that our real situation .. may not be as smooth as it was for TC's world and the Land.

forgive me if I miscomprehend .. but i see no arguement here .. as we have made contact with other real worlds/planets/moons .. per se .. where time is actually very different to our own ..

<ie probes etc. sent to capture imagery of Mars, and other planetary surfaces .. etc ..etc>


And yet our world is stil our world .. it has not .. nor would we have any reason to suspect that it would .. cease to exist because of any contact beyond our own realm.

and anyway .. F&F .. ofcourse you are completely right .. we have know way of knowing definatively what anything invented by SRD is really all about .. It is all inside SRD's creative imagination .. and any discussion can only ever be an excercise in fantasy and speculation ..

Furls .. as for time slowing in the Land .. thats an interesting observation .. is there suggestion that this is the case .. i cant remember ..

but if it is .. maybe the Land is arriving at the end of its existence .. or who knows .. not

[Fist and Faith]

Ah, yes, we were talking about different things. I thought you were talking about our universe communicating with another universe - one whose laws about time, if there are any, are radically different from our universe's