About those Ravers...

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:27 pm

Doesn't that sound like the Elohim?

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:48 pm

What if they acctually were triplets, perhaps even human, but since they were really bad boys they went of and found something horrible, like the 7th Ward, used it in an equally horrible way and turned out to be the possesive, destructive vampires-like creatures we all now love and cherish

How about three correlating female ravers in the last chronicles (Mokshie, Turiynna and Samanthi)?

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:34 am

Samanthi! LMAO!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:04 pm

Landwaster wrote:Doesn't that sound like the Elohim?

Actually, Ylva, that's a fantastic idea about three nasty boys finding some incredible source of power!!!

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:07 pm

Just adds even more weight to the need for regulation of issues of RoDs.

Post by **Seafoam Understone** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:29 pm

That the ravers who possessed the bodies of the giant triplets which fulfilled the prophecy of the Unhomed, be evil or banished Elohims is possible, as the extent of their powers were never fully revealed. The answers to your query could be explained in the THIRD chronicles by SRD himself... should he design to reveal or go to that extent.
I always thought of them as demons from the same realm that Foul had come from (Hell) as (at least in OUR world) demons have the capability of possession and (traditonally) demons serve a higher being than themselves.
These conclusions I came up with because I've always saw the Land as a paraelle universe or a mirror universe as the way things are done there compared to how Covenant's (our) world do things.
We brutalize, ravage and waste our natural resources and take them for granted. ... mankind as a whole. Want proof... look at the Industrial Age of our civilization(s). Likewise drive by any landfill.
The people of the Land do quite the opposite; reverent of the earth and the natural powers that lay within. Working with it in harmony... striving to undo the destruction caused by Kevin and Foul during the RoD. Devoting their whole lives and sacrificing their own selfish desires and needs (Atarian) for the good of the Land.
Me thinks that SRD was striving to pass on a sublimal message to his readers by drawing us into the love these people had for their home world.

Ravers! They're definitely on the top ten of Evil doers in my book!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:05 pm

I would VERY much like to know how Foul "mastered" the Ravers. They don't always seem to serve willingly. He can't let them have the ring, because they'd be more powerful than him, and leave. (If not attack him.) What's he got on them????

And I have stayed up WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too late to get that 2,000th post! Good night folks!!!!

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:32 pm

congratulations Fist!

Ylva wrote:How about three correlating female ravers in the last chronicles (Mokshie, Turiynna and Samanthi)?

oh my .. brilliant!! LOL

i like the bad boy raver thing too .. i would like to see more of the ravers in the 3rd chrons .. and i see no reason SRD wouldnt use these nasty bad boys again!!

[quote="Land"Just adds even more weight to the need for regulation of issues of RoDs.[/quote]

LMAO!! ..

indeed

Post by **Terrel** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:41 pm

I believe the Ravers are lesser entities to Lord Foul, they originate from outside the land. With the power of white gold Lord Foul even feared they could overthrow him. Are they not also trapped in the Land?

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:40 am

I always believed that Lord Mhoram's Victory gave us a big clue as to how the Ravers became what they are. When Mhoram stabs Satansfist, he sees the giant-raver fading, as though trying to escape his flesh to avoid death. This could have been how the three brothers became three immortal spirits that can only take the flesh of others...

Post by **Ryzel** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:16 am

It is clear that the ravers feared death, probably because they were immortal. It is not likely that they are Elohim, I think, because it is nowhere said that the Elohim are born. They seem to exist since the beginning of the world.

Post by **danlo** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:38 am

I believe that the Ravers are the product of one of Foul's banes, which he cast into the Creator's caldron in the Children of the Wounded Rainbow story. Like YK I agree that the three were probably messing where they shouldn't be, but that they found a bane worse than the Illearth Stone (or somewhat equivalent), not a ward. All three of them must have touched it at the same time and it blackened their souls.

The bane of possesion?

Since they became, in a way, Foul's "products" he was able to find their weakness. (Maybe ice cream?!

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KaosArcana · Post by **KaosArcana** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:08 am

I wonder ... what if the Ravers were children of the Elohim that
was imprisoned in the Colossus? What I mean is, what if she
created them or gave birth to them to save her from her fate
as the Colossus?

Post by **danlo** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:19 am

Intriguing and highly odd...definately different...

Post by **aTOMiC** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:53 am

I'm guessing that the Land is complex enough that the ravers are un related to any of the established races or characters we are familar with. I agree that their origins may well be revealed in the next chronicles.

Post by **Ryzel** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:22 am

KaosArcana wrote:I wonder ... what if the Ravers were children of the Elohim that
was imprisoned in the Colossus? What I mean is, what if she
created them or gave birth to them to save her from her fate
as the Colossus?

This seems to directly contradicts the fact that the appointed who became the Colossus were made the Colossus to protect the one forest from the Ravers. It was the forest itself who bound her.

But I will leave the possibility open because it is possible that in an attempt to avoid her fate the appointed did something that caused the ravers to be born in the first place. Only one thing seems to say differently and that is that LF seems to be absent from the land at this time and this kind of would almost certainly be something that he could and would do.

And just exactly were LF when this happened?

Post by **fightingmyinstincts** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:42 am

I'm gonna have to go with the theory of the Ravers having been at one time human...much like the nazgul. Only more different. They were possibly human kings, like the king that foul took over, and they were pretty much shelled like peas...their souls were removed from their bodies for whatever reason so that they were better able to serve their master by possessing other living beings, making them the perfect spies except for their tendencies to act like Ravers while in other bodies.

BTW, did we ever establish that someone can live after being possessed by a Raver? Are there any examples of this happening? I can't think of any...

Post by **Forestal** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:09 am

triock lived after being posessed.

Post by **Furls Fire** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:06 am

So did Linden

Oh Forestal, I just LOVE your avatar!! That is AWESOME!!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:47 pm

It REALLY is a great av!!

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