Ranking Marvel characters

[Fist and Faith]

Dr. Doom does. Did you see their initial meeting, when they went back in time to Camelot? #149-150.

Forge was (is?) damned good, too. One of them muties! Heh.

[jwaneeta]

Phoenix, Carol Danvers (as Binary), and Rogue.

[sgt.null]

well Doom also adds magic, so he may have an edge...

[Fist and Faith]

Phoenix, Carol Danvers (as Binary), and Rogue.

Argh! I forgot Rogue! Yeah, veeeeeeeery tough! Remember Avengers Annual #10, where she took them all out by herself?!? (Drawn by Michael Golden. Amazing artist!) And she did a ton of very impressive stuff as an X-Man.

well Doom also adds magic, so he may have an edge...

Although magic was always a part of his history, I can't think of a single instance where he actually used any. But I'm told that changed in recent years, before Reed trapped him in Hell. (Which he got out of.)

[sgt.null]

it may be a What If where Doom really uses the magic. I can't imagine he is a master of the craft, but could always pull it out as a surprise if losing? then again he may need much prep time that Strange, Mordo and the others would not need?

[Fist and Faith]

Not that Doom isn't a mage of very good ability. Amazing Spiderman Annual #14, written by Denny O'Neil and drawn by Frank Miller, has Doom and Dormammu in league. Dr. Strange receives a weird gift, evil monster attacks, a betrayer imprisoned within a magical crystal, etc. I guess I'm talking about his fighting. I've never seen him cast a spell against an opponent, summoning a shield as protection or anything. His armor is apparently sufficient for any battle.

[sgt.null]

how is it possible that Doom is in the same league as Dormammu? isn't Dormammu a demon?

[Fist and Faith]

I didn't say they were in the same league. They were working together.

[sgt.null]

oh, sorry, my bad!

so who is are the best fighters, non powered in the Marvel Universe? does Shang-Chi rank #1?