The Clave vs. The Council

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Ryzel wrote:You might even say that this confrontation between the New Lords and the Clave has taken place. And of course we know the result already, or what? :)
I get your point Ryzel and its hard to disagree. I'd prefer a "My dad can beat up your dad." kind of comparison. We're all little kids at heart. I defy you to tell me Godzilla can't kick the crap out of anyone! :lol: :D :wink:
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Syl wrote:Well, if the Clave gets to throw in the na-Mhoram-wists and all, I say the Lords get the Bloodguard. Let's see how the Clave does against more than just a handfull that know what they're going into.
I don't see why we don't throw it all in. How about if Gibbon and Mhoram are captains and they just pick teams. If I were there I'd get picked last. :cry:
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Actually I was referring to a very specific fact from the books, namely this quote:
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'so I name you "ur-Lord", a sharer of all the matters of the council until you depart from us.'
And if you consider TC a New Lord then they have already won, haven't they?
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Good point Ryzel. That would pretty much put all debate to bed, unless Covenant declined the offer to paricipate of course.
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Well, he did in 1C but he probably would not have in 2C. Don't you agree?
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I’d have to agree. Covenant was infinitely more “proactive” in the second Chronicles. To be fair the burden of action was laid squarely on his shoulders in 2C. TC represented the only opposing authority in the Land at that time. He was in a real sense the last Lord and felt and acted with an authority he neither wanted or felt required to accept until the end of 1C. For clarification I am not discounting the Waynhim. They certainly filled the role of the underground resistance.
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The Waynhim are a different matter. They had their own agenda, and while they may have chosen to align themselves with the Lords and their service they still had their own reasons for doing so.
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Indeed. :-)
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well in order to make it a fair fight you'd need for both earthpower and corrupted to be there... otherwise one of the other would be totally powerless, and would as such lose...

put in the full power of each, and have both at their peaks, i'd back the lords, because they have the heart and sense of rightness that the clave, just dont.
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I don't believe that that is a deciding factor. And there is no denying that the Clave believed in what they were doing.
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You know, Melma was one of my favorite characters from the 2nd Chronicles, it wasn't that all the Clave were evil
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she gave her life to help the quest
They were just hugely misguided by Foul and the ravers, and the people of the Land thought that killing people for their blood was just the natural order of things. It was people just like the Council in the 1st Chronicles who ended up as the Na Mhoram in the 2nd.
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