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Lucimay wrote: lots of times i'm floating above events watching like a movie and that is usually when i am aware that i am dreaming and sometimes comment to myself "oh this is weird" or whatever. as i have already told The Ez, i even sometimes tell myself jokes in metaphor.
i am having a difficult time imagining NOT "seeing" in dreams.
what, like lucid dreaming? or astral projection? I've had a few lucid dreams but my curiosity in astral projection never removed me from my body. maybe I'll start seeing if I can do it again...
Lucimay wrote: i remember when i was reading Freud's six volumes of collected papers i had to concentrate so hard on the text that even when i closed my eyes waking i would "see" text. i dreamt text when i was reading Freud. weird.
I've had a similar phenomena with TC. since it was introduced to me at the beginning of the school year, I have been activley, almost constantly reading it (except for a lag I hit the the Illearth war) and now, towards the latter middle of The One Tree, I would read alot then go to bed or fall asleep reading it on the bus, I imagine real to abstract extensions of the last thing I read. dreaming not of TC per se but dreaming that I was reading it 0_0 maybe not too unusual but I thought it was interesting.
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China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate
Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people.
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Syl wrote:China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate
Tibet’s living Buddhas have been banned from reincarnation without permission from China’s atheist leaders. The ban is included in new rules intended to assert Beijing’s authority over Tibet’s restive and deeply Buddhist people.
:lol:

On so, so many levels.
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Now that just gets up my nose! Definitely something that peeves me - the fact that I'll never be able to go to Tibbet an see it like it WAS before the chinese invaded. The idea of having to ASK to reincarnate is, to me, ludicrous but, the Chinese have their ways and views and I mine so, what can you do?! They are rapidly becoming a massive superpower, so best not to annoy them too much!
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well, the Bhuddas were claiming their social security benefits from the previous lives, so something had to be done? :D
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Esmer wrote:well, the Bhuddas were claiming their social security benefits from the previous lives, so something had to be done? :D
I don't know what I want to do more. Smack me some Chinee, or smack me some Tibetan Buddhists.
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:LOLS:

Does this imply that the Chinese tacitly accept reincarnation as valid?

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"Its not the destination but the journey that counts". After a few years of believing this I have to wonder if its a lame excuse for losers to keep going LOL!

and yet I continue my journey ROTFL!
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Raen and I were debating that after watching Peaceful Warrior the other day. Here's a quote from the book that didn't make it to the movie. Odd, actually, since it would have fit in perfectly with the movie:
Dan Millman wrote:A fool is “happy” when his cravings are satisfied. A warrior is happy without reason.
I think this quote says it all:
Neale Donald Walsch wrote:In the true order of things one does not do something in order to be happy - one is happy and, hence, does something. One does not do some things in order to be compassionate, one is compassionate and, hence, acts in a certain way. The soul’s decision precedes the body’s action in a highly conscious person. Only an unconscious person attempts to produce a state of the soul through something the body is doing.
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Yes, unfortunately, most people appear to be unconscious.

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Ah...the journey is where all the experiences happen, the joyous, the sorrowful, the journey is life. It is where you find yourself, your soul, your passions, your heart. There is no greater gift than life.
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altho you never asked me too
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...for then I could fly away and be at rest. Sweet rest, Mom. We all love and miss you.

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Had a recent conversation about God (or the lack thereof) with some Witnesses that came to the house. One of them (and older guy) was quite nice, and I was having a good talk with him. The other guy was way sketchier, and his body language was ten degrees of STFU.

So it wasn't as good as it could have been.
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Were you baiting the poor little Christers, Balon!? Shame on you. Hee hee....
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Yeah, the Jehovah's Witnesses are much more fun to mess with! :biggrin:
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You might have ruined their birthd...oh, yeah...they don't get one.
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Or, "You bloody apocalypse is going to start right now if you don't get off my bleeping property!!!!!" :biggrin:
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haha.

well it WAS satisfying watching their faces when I said that there was no meaning to life, god didn't exist and I wasn't concerned for my soul after I died. :D

They asked for it anyway. Come to my house uninvited; expect me to take the kid gloves off.
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haha, always fun to screw with the churchies.
And I mean that in a nice way....really.
Christian belief perameters are a little too small for my thought processes on Spirituality...but fasinating material for debate purposes.
They get some of IT to be sure, unfortunately they are squeezing so tight, most of IT slips through their fingers.

It's too bad Reincarnation isn't a more popular form of hard-core spiritual belief.
If we belived in it...maybe we would work exponentially harder to eliminate FAMINE, WAR, ABJECT POVERTY, GREED etc.
With reincarnation looming in our future, who would want to come back as a starving woman with children in a 3rd world country somewhere?
Or a guy who's life will be consumed with training to be a soldier for the Taliban.
It might raise the standards a little and....maybe, just maybe we could look forward to lives dedicated to learning, inventing, creating, solving, uh.. toilets/running water, instead of starvation, disease and certain death.

Just a thought.
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Interesting idea. Still, is there evidence of that sort of effort in places where the belief is prevalent? I'm not sure there is...afterall, the point is not to eradicate poverty so your next life is good...it's to live this life so you get a better next life.

In other words, they want there to be poverty as the incentive to live better now, to prevent being reborn into poorer circumstances. ;)

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Doesn't one begat the other? Aren't they mutually inclusive? Achieve one you acheive both.

As to whether it is practiced and has been documented in any way that would support or deny the claim of reincarnation or happenings associated with it? Avatar,...I would say, yes, though my knowledge of it it centered mainly around the Buddist perception, accompanied by a little knowledge of the Hindu transitions. They both do seem to have plausable evidence of the real workings of reincarnation.

Regardless. Would not striving to achieve a zero tolerance on poverty still benefit all of present and future mankind?

Wouldn't higher living most assurdedly bring higher challenges to the species? Do we have to be challenged by poverty and famine and disease? These blights are curable, in the presentday sense, already.

These things limited humanity as much as evil, war and fear...in my unproffessional opinion, just poverty, famine and disease alone...without the myriad of other trials and tribulations we know oppose...has human evolution itself on hold, or at the very least in super-slo mode.
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