Pantheon - Rules Feedback Thread

[Menolly]

You should note also that for the purposes that Luci described you can sometimes just project an image of yourself for the worshippers to see, so that you appear to them without actually manifesting. I'm sure I've done things like that in the past--showed myself to people in one form or another, not actually physically present but appearing to be so.

Yes, I've appeared to my Prophet many times. No DRP either.

Or to others to offer choices...

[O-gon-cho]

I suppose this is the place to ask:-

I kind of understand the whole divine rank thing, and that it's not only number of worshippers but strength of faith that is important. But how else does rank increase? I always get the feeling when submitting my moves that they're too dry (?), if that makes sense. Does how one submits one's turn make a difference, as well as their content? Also, what about role-playing on the game thread - can that help/hinder divine rank?

Although this is hard to put into numbers, the way moves are submitted makes a difference in the game, as does role-playing on the game thread. If nothing else, a bit more details in a move can better help obtaining the desired outcome, and a well-written move (rather than saying "I do this.") is also usually rewarded. By the same token, role-playing in the game thread is usually rewarded as well. However, these rewards do not always take the form of rank increase. In some cases, a player could be "rewarded" behind the scenes, by removing a negative event from the list of the events that happen to his people that turn, for example - or a positive outcome of one of his moves could be increased. It all depends on what reward seems to suit the situation best.

*eyes wide and nodding*

Oh!

...this might explain some things I've wondered about then...

btw...welcome back Xar. Have you received everyone's submittals?

[lucimay]

a worshiper of the deity can be made into an aspect, and then he/she must be willing; if this happens, the deity can either control the aspect utterly or grant it some measure of free will, and he/she can retain possession of the aspect for as long as he/she uses DRPs to do so - the more DRPs poured into the aspect, the more powerful the aspect is (this adds to the host's natural power, so obviously more powerful mortals are better than simple farmers, for example).

you mean like AK's "favored"? is that what he does?

or..like The Chimera? can i make The Chimera an "aspect" (in the way you're using the term) of MV?

i haven't put any "power" at all into the prophet. it didn't occur to me to do that. (call me dense)

i have felt sorely inhibited having to do all my stuff through "instructions" to the prophets and followers.

Murrin? how come K'rull and Mael and Opon and those guys are manifest then?
i mean, i realize Anomandar Rake is not really a god, even tho he has worshippers, he's...long-lived but mortal.
but, Lady Envy? all those... if they are gods, how come they have physical form.
if they walk around in physical form, i want to too.

[Bhakti]

Because this is Xar's world, not Erikson's? Xar goes with the idea that putting yourself into the physical world forces the deity to abide by the laws of that world. At least to some degree.

In yet another fictional world (and wow, how many years ago did I read this) - Thieves' World - a god was in physical combat with a human, and the human struck a killing blow. There was a contradiction, because, being a god, the god couldn't die. Yet the blow was a killing blow, and laws insisted that they be followed. So the god ended up being permanently unable to manifest again.

[Xar]

Thanks for the welcome back - I've received almost all submittals, we'll see tomorrow.

a worshiper of the deity can be made into an aspect, and then he/she must be willing; if this happens, the deity can either control the aspect utterly or grant it some measure of free will, and he/she can retain possession of the aspect for as long as he/she uses DRPs to do so - the more DRPs poured into the aspect, the more powerful the aspect is (this adds to the host's natural power, so obviously more powerful mortals are better than simple farmers, for example).

you mean like AK's "favored"? is that what he does?

No, the Favored are just elite mortals, like Argothoth's Graveguards or - to a higher degree - Bhakti's Forestals.

or..like The Chimera? can i make The Chimera an "aspect" (in the way you're using the term) of MV?

The Chimera isn't an aspect of MV; you could make her an aspect, but to create aspects you need to continuously imbue them with DRPs, or they lose the power of the aspect and you lose control over them.

i haven't put any "power" at all into the prophet. it didn't occur to me to do that. (call me dense)

i have felt sorely inhibited having to do all my stuff through "instructions" to the prophets and followers.

Nobody prevents you from remaining manifested all the time... it just decreases your chances to react to events in other locations, as well as make you vulnerable to deific combat.

Murrin? how come K'rull and Mael and Opon and those guys are manifest then?
i mean, i realize Anomandar Rake is not really a god, even tho he has worshippers, he's...long-lived but mortal.
but, Lady Envy? all those... if they are gods, how come they have physical form.
if they walk around in physical form, i want to too.

Bhakti's right, this is not Erikson's world In fact, every fantasy world has its own rules about deities - we have yet to see the Creator taking physical form in the Land, don't we? Or for that matter, the Valar appearing on Middle-Earth after the Elder Days... and so on.

[Menolly]

Murrin? how come K'rull and Mael and Opon and those guys are manifest then?
i mean, i realize Anomandar Rake is not really a god, even tho he has worshippers, he's...long-lived but mortal.
but, Lady Envy? all those... if they are gods, how come they have physical form.
if they walk around in physical form, i want to too.

Bhakti's right, this is not Erikson's world In fact, every fantasy world has its own rules about deities - we have yet to see the Creator taking physical form in the Land, don't we? Or for that matter, the Valar appearing on Middle-Earth after the Elder Days... and so on.

Oh thank goodness.

I have enough trouble keeping track of what goes on in each universe from book to book as I'm reading a series (except for Pern). If I had to draw upon multiple series to figure out how to interact with all of you I would be even more dazed and confused than I am now. I have no idea about any of those things you asked Murren, Luci. Although from Bhakti's and Xar's answers I assume they have to do with Malazan. I promise, I'm getting there. I just finished Earthsea, and I have Neverness and Illuminati to read, then I'll pick up the book you gave me at e'Fest. I want to concentrate on slimmer novels first and get them out of the way, before I tackle Malazan.

[Vadhaka]

Yeah, I agree with Xar. 1) His world. 2) Manifesting should require all drp.

I never thought of making an avatar. Good idea.

Uh, when is the turn deadline? I thought it was only next week? (I can submit today, no problem...somebody just tell me if I need to?)

[Menolly]

Uh, when is the turn deadline? I thought it was only next week? (I can submit today, no problem...somebody just tell me if I need to?)

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BTW, no next Turn due date mentioned - I don't think! I would suggest October 6th. That gives us a bit more than a week.

You can turn moves in on October 6th, but in any case I'll be out for the weekend until October 8th...

So...yesterday, but The Allfather probably won't begin even looking at them before today, so you're good.

[lucimay]

ok. i get aspects now. thanks. that helps a lot.

Bhakti's right, this is not Erikson's world

i didn't say it was. i was asking Murrin how come those guys can manifest based on what you were saying about deities manifesting.

you didn't really qualify "in this world" or "in the world of this game".
you sorta made it sound like all deities.

it is not the natural state of a deity

so i was asking for a comparison. i was trying to understand a concept not your rules of your game. (tho i'm still figuring out those too! )

the fact that a manifested deity can no longer look (and therefore act) everywhere in the world at the same time; but rather, the deity takes on a discrete physical form which means that his or her power is concentrated in a single spot in the world, rather than being readily available everywhere.

i don't see that as a hindrence in game play, just playing a different way.

maybe i just haven't understood the rules of manifestation properly heretofore. lemme just spit it back to you and see if i've got it now?

i manifest. use the drp i have that turn to do whatever i want.
then go back to the ether? (or stay out if i so choose, long as i think i can protect myself or whatever, right?)

i mean...at any given time, the entire pantheon does not have to KNOW i'm manifested, do they? thats not a rule is it? that everybody has to know where i am at any given moment? i mean, where exactly are we all anyway?

i'm sorry...things just have to make sense to me and i'm trying to make sense of myself as a....deity. i'm loathe to AFFECT things, tinker with them, for some reason. don't worry, if i don't get it right this game and die, i'll get it right next game!

[Vadhaka]

Thanks...my moves will be in today. Everybody who has deals with me, they're all going ahead.

LuciMay: As I understand it, all gods know when you're manifested. Not at all times, just while you have a corporeal form. The...concentration...of power is so great that it is immediately discernable to other gods.

[Xar]

maybe i just haven't understood the rules of manifestation properly heretofore. lemme just spit it back to you and see if i've got it now?

i manifest. use the drp i have that turn to do whatever i want.
then go back to the ether? (or stay out if i so choose, long as i think i can protect myself or whatever, right?)

i mean...at any given time, the entire pantheon does not have to KNOW i'm manifested, do they? thats not a rule is it? that everybody has to know where i am at any given moment? i mean, where exactly are we all anyway?

i'm sorry...things just have to make sense to me and i'm trying to make sense of myself as a....deity. i'm loathe to AFFECT things, tinker with them, for some reason. don't worry, if i don't get it right this game and die, i'll get it right next game!

You manifest by "concentrating" all your DRPs in a specific spot in the world. You can then "use" the DRPs to affect people and events in that spot only, so that you can't, for example, manifest in Thellarr and, at the same time, affect followers in Kortral. Then, if at the end of the turn you do not spend once again all your DRPs towards sustaining the manifestation, you dissolve back into the "ether".

However, as long as you are manifested, the Pantheon knows it and where you are (there are mitigating circumstances, but I'll let you people discover those, if you can ), because the concentration of power is too strong for the Pantheon to overlook it. However, it is likely that more powerful deities MIGHT overlook weak deities manifesting (for instance, an 8-DRP deity could think that that 1-DRP expenditure he feels in Olaern is simply another god acting there, not a deity manifesting).

[lucimay]

uh huh. i see. i think i can work with that. thanks.

i'll have private questions of you shortly.

[Norn]

Question Xar - will Pantheon 3 be set in Eiran, and if so, will Pantheon 2 players get the option of using their surviving deity in the new game before new deities sign up and claim various domains?

[I'm Murrin]

I think that one's still up in the air. I personally would prefer a completely fresh world, but it's up to Xar to decide.

[Avatar]

So would I for what it's worth, but can survive another Erian.

--A

[Menolly]

...changes...changes...changes...

...ugh...

[Norn]

I'm pretty much fine either way - the deity I have in mind would work either way, the differences would be in the details rather than the generalities. Was really just wondering as I noticed that many domains have already been "claimed".

[Menolly]

I think the domain claims are all really up in the air, depending on what the new rules will say.

[Norn]

True, although when the rules are finalised, I hope that I'm online so that I can get in quick-smart.

[Fist and Faith]

If we're on Eiran again, I'll have one god. If we're elsewhere, I'll have a different god.