AATE Suppositions w/ FR Spoilers ! Read at your own risk!

[Savor Dam]

The Creator has already saved a potentially dead Covenant at the end of the first chronicles. Why shouldn't Covenant be able to pull that trick again? He'll probably also save Linden.

Just imagine the reborn Roger/TC telling Linden with a Yoda voice: "My father I am."

Interesting theory, considering who is proposing it. Personally, I am hearing that person's voice coming from Roger / TC saying "No, Linden. I AM my father."

[Orlion]

The Creator has already saved a potentially dead Covenant at the end of the first chronicles. Why shouldn't Covenant be able to pull that trick again? He'll probably also save Linden.

Just imagine the reborn Roger/TC telling Linden with a Yoda voice: "My father I am."

Interesting theory, considering who is proposing it. Personally, I am hearing that person's voice coming from Roger / TC saying "No, Linden. I AM my father."

Kinda reminds me of the end of "Slan Hunters" (A.E. VanVogt and Kevin Anderson)

[Vader]

Has someone already considered the idea that Jeremiah is the Creator? After all he's been in the land throughout the ages just watching.

Jeremiah has the ability of constructing powerful structures - structures that can even trap Elohim. Maybe he has also constructed a universe that trapped LF in it ...

Admittedly his age in the "real" world implies he was born after TC encountered the land for the first time, but maybe he already was existent in the land before acquiring a physical precense in the "real world".

But maybe I'm just drunk ...

[Relayer]

Jeremiah has the ability of constructing powerful structures - structures that can even trap Elohim. Maybe he has also constructed a universe that trapped LF in it ...

It's possible... some of the creation stories from the 1st Chrons talk about how the Creator's children followed him into the Land-verse and then were trapped when he sealed the rift / threw Foul in / whatever. IIRC, one story said they became the stars, and another said they became the Elohim?

I don't remember the Elohim's own creation story from TOT...

[wayfriend]

I don't remember the Elohim's own creation story from TOT...

It was the story of the Würd of the World's End, the one that is identical to the story of the Worm of the World's End, except for the transposition of Würd/Worm.

[DWOLF]

Whats going to happen, huh?

There is a theme in lots of SRD's writing that keeps popping up and will probally pop up again. The turning a bad thing into a good thing. Or an attack back on the attacker.

Examples -

Angus fills the proton cannon turret with sealant and uses the Amnions attack against them.

King Joyce uses his enemies attacks on him to his advantage.

Brew uses Sternways kick at him to throw him off the balcony.

Covenant uses Noms attack to master it.

Brinn and the guardian, Covenant and Foul end of WGW.

And lots more I cant think of now -- its been a hard day.

[Unbelieverable]

I see the Land being destroyed, followed by LA waking up in triage in the "real" world. She miraculously survives and begins plodding through her life wracked with guilt for having destroyed the Land. Eventually characters begin to enter her life that parody those of the Land, and then the story begins where FR left off, with an adventure in our world where everything parodies the Land. LA is forced to seek her personal "salvation" through her experiences in the real world.
The reason I think so is that there's no real way for SRD to undo the worm's awakening; not believably anyway. Hope I'm wrong here because the story would become extremely dull, IMO.

[wayfriend]

I don't know as I agree that this is what will happen ... but that would be a really good story that I would love to read. It's an awesome idea.

[Unbelieverable]

Of course, when LA DID wake up the worm in FR (that's what happened, right?) Infelice never said that the world would be destroyed, she only said that every Elohim would be consumed. I would assume that if the world were coming to an end, she would have referenced that rather than only the doom of the Elohim. But they are pretty self-absorbed, aren't they? Dangit, I hate this speculating. Can't they just publish it like it is?!?

[wayfriend]

That is correct. If the Elohim could "answer" that "magick", there is a distinct possibility that they will.

Another mark against your theory is that the Final Chronicles would not be about Thomas Covenant at all.

And another one is that Donaldson has said in interviews

Spoiler

that the Final Chronicles takes place entirely in the Land.

Nevertheless, it is a good theory.

[fragile granite]

An extremely interesting thread with many thought provoking points!

I don't want to attempt any spoilers but I would like to put in my two cents worth...

I don't believe the Land will be destroyed. I'd like to speculate that perhaps the Manacles are necessary for two things:

1) to bind the Worm of the World's End and keep it from fully waking up.

2) to bind Lord Foul and limit his ability to act in the Land or influence its people.

I'd like to think that TC (now that he's corporeal) will use the ring to activate the Manacles for this purpose thereby completing his triumph over his two main antagonists.

Also, I'd like to think that LA (with her custom made Staff of Law) might become the new & improved Forestal of the Land who re-imprisons Kastenessen within the Durance thereby diminishing the threat of the Skurj. Since she is also a healer, perhaps she may be able to heal the Shadow on the Hearts of the Elohim and redefine both the Law of Death as well as the Law of Life using her staff (which Caerroil Wildwood finished for her). Then, as the new & improved Forestal, I'd also like to speculate that the two remaining Ravers wouldn't stand a chance against her.

None of these things would be easy and I'd like to believe that Anele will play a big part in helping TC and LA accomplish them and then he would subsequently allow himself to be healed as well.

[sherifffruitfly2]

Possibilities I haven't seen here yet:

1) Infelice is simply lying, in order to get LA to give up her power or something.

2) Brinn or whoever is the One Tree Guardian will pop up with some timely advice and assistance. Sort of like the MS Office paperclip.

3) This will be the service The Harrow was referring to that LA would need performed.

[Akasri]

2) Brinn or whoever is the One Tree Guardian will pop up with some timely advice and assistance. Sort of like the MS Office paperclip.

"You look like you are trying to save The Land. Would you like some help?"

or

"You have made changes to The Land. Do you wish to save them before quitting?"

[sherifffruitfly2]

2) Brinn or whoever is the One Tree Guardian will pop up with some timely advice and assistance. Sort of like the MS Office paperclip.

"You look like you are trying to save The Land. Would you like some help?"

or

"You have made changes to The Land. Do you wish to save them before quitting?"

"The Land has encountered a serious error and needs to reboot. Use the ring to continue."

[SkurjMaster]

Dear Watchers,

Anele has several times indicated that HE is the one true hope for the Earth. Or am I remembering incorrectly? If this is true, it will have something to do with his ability to read/hear/listen to stone. So, I think this will bear out in that the Earth will indeed be destroyed, and then remade by TC, LA, and Jeremiah. TC will be the wild magic graven in every rock. LA will be its law and health. Jeremiah will put it all back together again. But none of that will be possible unless Anele provides the 'blueprint' by being able to hear stone.

I wonder if the Masters may ultimately be proved right about Earthpower in a sense. If the Elohim perish, or are allowed to perish, then Earthpower may be eliminated as well. If Foul is bound/destroyed, then it would not be necessary for Earthpower to be accessible to help defeat him. If Earthpower is not accessible, then any damage done by accessing it will no longer be possible. In a newly created Earth with no Earthpower and no Foul, then any despite that's there is the ordinary kind that we all bring into the world with us.

[wayfriend]

This speculative idea that a new world/Earth/Land will be created seems to have a number of adherants.

But I have to ask: is that the final answer to Despite? To give up, and try all over at a new place down the road?

King Joyse would become apoplectic with rage if anyone suggested that. It's nothing more than tilting the hopboard. And that suggests, to me, that this is not Donaldson's answer.

People can change their circumstances and "start all over". But, inside ourselves, we can't. Our choices are to strive, give in, or give up. We can't restart the game. So if the Land corresponds in any way to Covenant and Linden's inner psychoscape, then creating a new one doesn't seem to be a valid option. At least, not one which gives us much hope or uplift.

[Unbelieverable]

Possibilities I haven't seen here yet:

1) Infelice is simply lying, in order to get LA to give up her power or something.

2) Brinn or whoever is the One Tree Guardian will pop up with some timely advice and assistance. Sort of like the MS Office paperclip.

3) This will be the service The Harrow was referring to that LA would need performed.

1) Infelice is probably lying for her own ends but I doubt it's to coerce LA into giving up her power. The Elohim have been (historically) consistent that LA should be the "wildwielder." With her health-sense, it is logical. 2) I do have the feeling that Brinn will somehow make an appearance in the story. It feels too much like a loose end for the haruchai for some reason. 3) Didn't the Harrow already tell LA that he was the only one who could bear her to her son? I think that was the service he meant.

[fragile granite]

I agree that Infelice is being disingenuous and that Anele is the Land's last hope. My speculative position is that neither TC or LA will be able to save the Land without Anele's talent & skill.

Jeremiah also has a unique talent or skill; one that could provide an answer to despite. Namely, after LF is manacled by TC, and Jeremiah is redeemed by LA, he proceeds to build a doorway to nowhere and the manacled Lord Foul is sent through it permanently ridding the Land of the Despiser.

Perhaps ak-Haru Brinn Ardenol will provide an answer to the Harrow after the Harrow reveals Jeremiah's location.

Perhaps Stave, with all the training he's receiving, will become the first new and improved Master of the Land.

Liand, of course, demonstrates aptitude for the Rhadhamaerl Lore even though he's never even learned it. Perhaps he'll become the new & improved Gravelingas.

But Anele is still an Unfettered One who makes all of this possible by reading the runes of the earth.

[DWOLF]

ps

Pitchwife lives

[spoonchicken]

Covenant becomes Foul, and destroys the universe. Linden has to kill him, and rebuild everything from scratch. Can't wait to see how SRD plays this out...