I saw someone on train reading that this morning,as for me bought Toll of the hounds but Ian essel first 2 books I had to get ordered by local bookstore ,don't read to much of Toll in case I spoil storyOrlion wrote:wayfriend wrote:I think we need to spawn a new thread called "What Malazan book are you reading RIGHT NOW?".(And it's Stonewielder right now. I slowed down once it looked like it won't be until another four months until I can get my chemically laced hands on a copy of Orb, Sceptre, Throne.)
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The detective part of The City and the City is just okay. It just took an interesting turn, so we'll see. It's just that the book doesn't really have interesting characters, and it doesn't seem to have a mystery that I am fascinated to see solved, nor it seems the author. There's not even the usual grotesquery. I did like Perdido and Scar and Council and even Kraken.
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I guess I was mostly intrigued by the concept of parallel universes that bleed over into one another -- and the taboo against noticing that the other universe existed. I agree that the characters weren't terribly compelling. But I'm not sure I read Mieville for compelling characters anyhow. (Hmm, interesting, must think about that...)


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Except ... it's not really clear if there is something metaphysical, or if it's all The Emperor's New Clothes -- and frustratingly Mieville doesn't seem to be exploring the issue. Why do people stay in these cities? And without an explanation for that ... the story falls apart, at least for me.aliantha wrote:I guess I was mostly intrigued by the concept of parallel universes that bleed over into one another -- and the taboo against noticing that the other universe existed. I agree that the characters weren't terribly compelling. But I'm not sure I read Mieville for compelling characters anyhow. (Hmm, interesting, must think about that...)
I thought the Bas-Lag books had characters that at least had characterization. That's all I really need is that much. But I think my favorite Mieville character is Goss [and Subby] from Kraken.
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Are you including the Esslemont novels (a new one just came out and another one will be out this November) Bauchelin and Korbal Boch novellas and the first book in the Krakhanas trilogy that's slated fro release this August?Shaun das Schaf wrote:Ok, well by the sounds of it I best go read Kraken and the others.
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Ah.... no.Orlion wrote:Are you including the Esslemont novels (a new one just came out and another one will be out this November) Bauchelin and Korbal Boch novellas and the first book in the Krakhanas trilogy that's slated fro release this August?Shaun das Schaf wrote:Ok, well by the sounds of it I best go read Kraken and the others.
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Either way, I'm thinking I'll have to break my journey as some stage, if only to take a breather from all the death (insert emoticon for 'exhausted soul').
regarding the "mystery" in the city & the city...spoiler alert....only read this after you finish the book wayfriend and anyone else that hasn't read it...
and this is what meiville does in his work that i find interesting, he explores societies in a way that i find very similar to ursula k leguin and her explorations. he's a thinkin feller, as ger would say.
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to me the question of the nature of the cities and whether or not they are metaphysical or paralelle universes or whatever is the central mystery, not the murder. and the detective solves the mystery i think, in the end, for himself.
he sees both cities because they are not 2 cities. they are one city. the people train themselves and each other NOT to see the other. it's all about "not seeing" "the other" and what that does to cultures and societies and, indeed, individuals. i don't think it's any accident that you don't find any characters in that novel to relate to or "like", especially the main character, the detective. he, after all, is as guilty as everyone else of "not seeing" what is right in front of his nose.
how many times have you walked past a homeless person without seeing them? or faces in a crowd? or actually someone you know? we choose, don't we.
he sees both cities because they are not 2 cities. they are one city. the people train themselves and each other NOT to see the other. it's all about "not seeing" "the other" and what that does to cultures and societies and, indeed, individuals. i don't think it's any accident that you don't find any characters in that novel to relate to or "like", especially the main character, the detective. he, after all, is as guilty as everyone else of "not seeing" what is right in front of his nose.
how many times have you walked past a homeless person without seeing them? or faces in a crowd? or actually someone you know? we choose, don't we.
and this is what meiville does in his work that i find interesting, he explores societies in a way that i find very similar to ursula k leguin and her explorations. he's a thinkin feller, as ger would say.

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Well, finished The Crippled God, and with it my current reread of the Malazan books. Still waiting for the last Esselmont to arrive...gonna have to fight with the bookshop.
As I said in the Erikson forum, these books have to be reread multiple times. There's always stuff I missed or forgot because of the overload.
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Anyway, reading Pratchett's Snuff now.
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Ummm...when Stonewielder is done, what happens to you? Do you become Stonedefinitely? Or Unstoned?Stonemaybe wrote:Halfway through Stonewielder for the first time. Loving it.
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the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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How did I miss this before? Luci, your spoiler is spot-on.lucimay wrote:regarding the "mystery" in the city & the city...spoiler alert....only read this after you finish the book wayfriend and anyone else that hasn't read it...
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to me the question of the nature of the cities and whether or not they are metaphysical or paralelle universes or whatever is the central mystery, not the murder. and the detective solves the mystery i think, in the end, for himself.
he sees both cities because they are not 2 cities. they are one city. the people train themselves and each other NOT to see the other. it's all about "not seeing" "the other" and what that does to cultures and societies and, indeed, individuals. i don't think it's any accident that you don't find any characters in that novel to relate to or "like", especially the main character, the detective. he, after all, is as guilty as everyone else of "not seeing" what is right in front of his nose.
how many times have you walked past a homeless person without seeing them? or faces in a crowd? or actually someone you know? we choose, don't we.
and this is what meiville does in his work that i find interesting, he explores societies in a way that i find very similar to ursula k leguin and her explorations. he's a thinkin feller, as ger would say.

Finished The Daemon Prism last night. It had a very satisfying ending.



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Now on to Hawkmistress! -- embarrassingly, the first Darkover novel I've ever picked up.


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