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aliantha wrote:Another great post on the subject. Thanks, Murrin. Did you read the comments? One commenter sort of sniffed at the blog post and said John Scalzi had "raised it to the level of social commentary" by posting a link on his blog -- and then Scalzi himself chimed in to point out that the commenter had just given a perfect example of what Valente was talking about. :lol:
Ouch, missed that one. So they think it's only a worthy social commentary if a popular male author approves it? :lol:
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Does naked=vulnerable apply to men? From a man's point of view, naked men = don't look unless your gay. And from women's, it could very well be naked men = forced sex. The surface message may very well be "wouldn't you like him to bang you", but the undertones may be more negative than positive. Hence the relative lack of naked male images. The ones you do see tend to be comedic ("Because I'm a man, and I want to smell like a man smells like.") or bodice-ripper material (nice, safe fantasy).

That's just how I see it, anyway.
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wayfriend wrote:And from women's, it could very well be naked men = forced sex.
I'm not sure what you mean. Who's forcing who?

If the picture was of a fully-clothed woman and a naked man, who would you perceive as being more powerful?
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wayfriend wrote:And from women's, it could very well be naked men = forced sex.
I'm not sure what you mean. Who's forcing who?

If the picture was of a fully-clothed woman and a naked man, who would you perceive as being more powerful?
You're putting me on the spot to answer as a woman. I risk being rightly skewered for that. But my intuition and experience tells me that it could easily be interpreted as a man who's about to have sex, and a woman who hasn't even been asked yet, or who is presumed to be submissive. (If a beautiful naked woman walks up to a guy, the guy is happy. If a hunky naked guy walks up to a woman, the woman gets creeped out. No?) Then there's the notion that a man who has the balls to get naked without caring who sees him is a man who, well, has a lot of balls. So I think the answer is still "the man". But based on generalities admittedly.
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wayfriend wrote:If a beautiful naked woman walks up to a guy, the guy is happy. If a hunky naked guy walks up to a woman, the woman gets creeped out. No?
Maybe not. :twisted: I think my interpretation would depend on the expressions on their faces.

I would *too* look at their faces. Cheez, you guys.
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Whats wrong with nude people? And what does nudity have to do with forced sex? And why would I be creeped out by a nude guy? I dont understand.

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Ananda wrote:Whats wrong with nude people? And what does nudity have to do with forced sex? And why would I be creeped out by a nude guy? I dont understand.

You should come to the beach here. :)
Typical Americans loathe nudity and sexuality/sensuality. It's OK to watch someone get blown up, but not OK to watch someone walk around nude. It's bizarre. I think it has something to do with people not being comfortable in their skin.

I dunno, but I'm totally naked most of the time I'm home and posting (let that sear itself into your minds).
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Cail wrote:
Ananda wrote:Whats wrong with nude people? And what does nudity have to do with forced sex? And why would I be creeped out by a nude guy? I dont understand.

You should come to the beach here. :)
Typical Americans loathe nudity and sexuality/sensuality. It's OK to watch someone get blown up, but not OK to watch someone walk around nude. It's bizarre. I think it has something to do with people not being comfortable in their skin.

I dunno, but I'm totally naked most of the time I'm home and posting (let that sear itself into your minds).
Considering the graphic I made for your character in this bad writing contest thread, it isnt so terrible to hear! :twisted:
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Cail wrote:
Ananda wrote:Whats wrong with nude people? And what does nudity have to do with forced sex? And why would I be creeped out by a nude guy? I dont understand.

You should come to the beach here. :)
Typical Americans loathe nudity and sexuality/sensuality. It's OK to watch someone get blown up, but not OK to watch someone walk around nude. It's bizarre. I think it has something to do with people not being comfortable in their skin.

I dunno, but I'm totally naked most of the time I'm home and posting (let that sear itself into your minds).
I imagine you as your zombie avatar so I am vaguely off-put by imagining it naked.
(As opposed to its charismatic presence in that posh suit)
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Holsety wrote:
Cail wrote:
Ananda wrote:Whats wrong with nude people? And what does nudity have to do with forced sex? And why would I be creeped out by a nude guy? I dont understand.

You should come to the beach here. :)
Typical Americans loathe nudity and sexuality/sensuality. It's OK to watch someone get blown up, but not OK to watch someone walk around nude. It's bizarre. I think it has something to do with people not being comfortable in their skin.

I dunno, but I'm totally naked most of the time I'm home and posting (let that sear itself into your minds).
I imagine you as your zombie avatar so I am vaguely off-put by imagining it naked.
(As opposed to its charismatic presence in that posh suit)
Thats not a zombie! Thats an alien from a really fun scifi film from the 80s. His title or quote or whatever is from that film too.
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Nice picture, Cail. Is that the motorcycle you were in the accident on or is it a new one? And, I never saw, but are you all healed up now?
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Ananda wrote:Nice picture, Cail. Is that the motorcycle you were in the accident on or is it a new one? And, I never saw, but are you all healed up now?
No, my bike's not in that photo.

I'm about as healed as I'm going to get. I have about 70% mobility from my left wrist, probably 90% from my right knee. I have a lifetime of getting out of bed slowly to look forward to, but I'm grateful that I have that lifetime to look forward to.
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Ouch, that stinks, but like you said, it is good that it wasnt worse. Not that I was in an accident, but I can empathise a bit. I tore some ligaments connecting my hamstring muscles to mt hip. I used to go to the gym and run and do classes and some of the machines about 5 times a week, but I overdid it one day and then tried to run a 5k the next and did some nasty damage to myself. Now, I am working on being able to get back to running, but I think it wont happen since I keep reinjuring myself when I try. Anyway, glad youre okay. :hug:
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Injuries suck. I was in fantastic shape last year, running 3-4 times a week, 4 miles at a time. I was also lifting weights 4 times a week. I dropped about 20 pounds, added muscle, and was looking better than I have in my whole life--at 39! [I'd post the shirtless picture as proof, but that would just be too gratuitous. :P Plus, there's no cool motorcycles in the background.] But then I ripped a calf muscle while playing Frisbee. Freakin Frisbee! I put my foot down wrong while looking up at the sky, and felt the muscle "pop." For a second, I thought, "Oh, that's odd. I wonder if I'm hurt." Then when I tried to put weight on it, I literally dropped to the ground in pain. I couldn't walk for more than a week. I got a cane after that. Slowly, I was able to walk normally again, but I could feel it about to give way every now and then as I built up my strength again.

About two months later, I attempted running again. That was a mistake. I managed to do a few runs, but then my muscle started feeling weird. There was this long "string" inside it that was harder than the rest. It began to hurt, so I stopped running and exercising altogether.

That was last summer. Now, I'm trying it again. Very, very slowly. I started out with one mile, walking/running. Now I'm up to 2.5 miles, but I'm only doing 1-2 runs a week. At the slightest hint of pain, I intend to switch to biking, or taking the week off.

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Hoping everyone gets better.

My back is cramping a bit painfully right now, but i keep telling myself it's been less than 3 months from the injury. That, and I've just spent 3 days walking about 10km during each (I'm on Eskilstuna train station (Sweden), surfing the net through a free wifi, watching fancy old cars drive by. :) ) and carrying a heavy backpack.
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Zar, try power yoga. P90X yoga will get you in the best shape of your life.

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Oh that really sucks, Zed. I hope you can get it back. What a crappy way to injure yourself. Mine was mostly self inflicted. I knew I was hurt before the run, but I was used to being young and immortal! And then I kept reinjuring myself pushing too hard to get back into it.

And camora is right about yoga! ... And one called pilates. I thought I was in very good shape the first time I went to one and found out differently!
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Pilates IS yoga with all the hard stuff and purpose/process taken out and needless "equipment" in some variations added in.

Z...if just jogging on it ruined you after 8 weeks, it seems unlikely to be muscle, probably achilles or one of the attached.

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