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Can I getta "Hell Yea-a-a"Menolly wrote:Keep in mind while the dissections were done awhile ago, new posts are welcome in *all* of the dissection threads, even the oldest ones on the first chrons.
I don't have the book with me right now, but that's about how I understood it. Haughty bastards. The language the Giantesses use can get perplexing every now and then. There was one joke from Stonemage I had to read three times before comprehending it, something in the lines of "She will not [fall into magical glamor]. Her natural bewilderment excludes other confusion." Ie. the object of talk is inherently too stupid to be mesmerized.Queen Christine wrote:
Totally love the Swordmainnir, they just make me smile in everything they do and everything they say. I would like someone here to please give me some insight into the part that dealt with the tale of Thelma and Bahgoon and the gift of tongues. The Giants had told the tale of Thelma and Bahgoon to the Elohim. The Giants found great joy and delight in the fact that Thelma tamed Bahgoon and that "they discovered an embattled and extravagant happiness". Giants of course would find joy in a story in which two harsh folk would be able to find love and happiness and have a happy ending. The part of the story that intrigued the Elohim was the coercion of Bahgoon. "They discerned clearly our eagerness - indeed our hunger - for friendship and knowledge throughout the Earth. And they assured themselves that we did not scruple to send our own to apparent woe when we saw no other course."
Ok, so please tell me if I understand that bolded part correctly.... So Bahgoon was a difficult Giant and was always causing trouble. Because the Giants couldn't get Bahgoon under control, they sent him to serve Thelma as a sort of punishment for his offenses. So when the Elohim heard this story, they decided to interpret this specific act in their own way. The Elohim saw this as the Giants are willing to sentence a fellow Giant to a life of woe when everything else they have tried has failed. So back then, the Giants told the story of Thelma and Bahgoon to the Elohim, and in turn were granted the gift of tongues. The Giants mistakenly believed that the Elohim gave them the gift of tongues in exchange for telling the story of Thelma and Bahgoon. BUT, the truth was that the Elohim gave the Giants the gift of tongues in exchange for Longwrath being forced to do their will and kill Linden. Is that right? So the whole thing that makes the Giants mad is that the Elohim caused them to believe they were being given a gift for TELLING A TALE but actually they were being given a gift because they were unknowingly handing over a future Giant to the Elohim to use as a killer? Thanks for any insight. I feel like I 'got it', but a part of me feels like I am missing something.
Well, that is essentially correct, except for some exceedingly fine points which are rather ambiguous to begin with.Queen Christine wrote:The Giants mistakenly believed that the Elohim gave them the gift of tongues in exchange for telling the story of Thelma and Bahgoon. BUT, the truth was that the Elohim gave the Giants the gift of tongues in exchange for Longwrath being forced to do their will and kill Linden. Is that right?
First, it seems to me that Ironhand is leaving it an open question as to whether the Elohim mistakenly or intentionally heard a promise in the tale, and also whether the Giants were deceived or agreed knowingly.In [i]Against All Things Ending[/i] was wrote:Now we must hear joy in the knowledge that our ancestors were blind to machination and distorted truth. More, we must honor them for a blindness which was in some degree voluntary. So delighted were they with the gift of tongues, and with themselves, that they did not closely examine the proffer of the Elohim.
[...] However, the Elohim misheard the humor of the Giants - or elected to interpret it in another fashion.
[...] Glad, and gladly blind, they accepted the bargain. Only now, when the harm cannot be recalled, have we heard the truth of the exchange. The eagerness of our ancestors to accept the terms, the Elohim interpreted as consent to the unwilling servitude of an unnamed Giant in a distant and uncertain future. Involuntarily misled," she stated harshly, "or perhaps voluntarily, our ancestors condoned the sacrifice of Lostson Longwrath’s life to any use which the Elohim craved."
Savor Dam wrote:Some of your questions get answered in AATE. Others will have to wait for TLD. I am not saying which. RAFO!
Sorry, your highness...but that's as far as I am willing to go.
OK, here's a freebie. A question you have previously asked elsewhere, but did not re-ask just now does get answered in AATE.
Ok Savor, here I go, LOL!Savor Dam wrote:Did'ja find it? If so, have you read far enough to have the answer?
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*tsk*Savor Dam wrote:By the way, I am trying to win 2012 Kindest Watcher. Calling me "cruel you are, so very cruel" does not exactly conduce to that end. Much as I do not agree with "pimping the vote", I have to encourage you to do penance by registering to vote in the Watchy forum and vote in as many categories as you might choose to.
Note that I did not ask for any specific votes from you...but votes for me and any alts of mine you might discern are appreciated.
Stone and Sea, she's the Ironhand in disguise!Queen Christine wrote: I love the all the Giants, so lots of love here for my Swordmainnir!
If so, null will be along shortly. Always.dlbpharmd wrote:I'm glad to see that Menolly pimps forums other than her own.
Not unless you are paid, expensively dressed, and can arrange....ahem...clandestine socially frowned upon/winked at experiences...for an appropriate tip, of course...knowledge and discretion are expensive!Menolly wrote: [Apparently I'm the concierge of the Watch...]
My interpretation of that is:Savor Dam wrote:I am so tempted to comment in response to that, Vraith...
But in this case it is better for all involved for discretion to win out over knowledge. I'll say only that Luci was the first to refer to Menolly as the concierge of the Watch...and I will continue to do so until a better candidate emerges.
