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Mongnihilo wrote:Or Real Genius.
Ohgoshyes.
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Cail wrote:
Mongnihilo wrote:Or Real Genius.
Ohgoshyes.
I'm embarrassed and proud of my encounters with this flick.
I saw it when it came out and was totally unimpressed.
Years later, mostly cuz of my actorly interests/background, and seeing what Kilmer did with "Tombstone" and "The Doors," I went back to it. Saw things I hadn't before...though they weren't cuz of Kilmer, but cuz of the material.
Now I think it is quite good. Not spectacular...but that's likely at the interface of "worthy" and "wow." I won't try and dissect how that works right now...but I'm sure in my own soul/identity it's in the same field effect that makes me ALWAYS [so far] place "This is Spinal Tap" on my all-time greats list.
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At risk of overstressing a point can I observe that I think my last post followed by Cail's first are an interesting conitguous pairing. In my case [as I'm sure is the case in all of us who have a serious interest and a huge 'library' of viewings to draw on] I can often recognise films as being of high quality and as being good - but I still don't like them. And neither do I [can we] make claims for the films I [we] like being the benchmark against a film's being 'good' can be judged.

But I just don't know why Cail is going to love 'Pootie Tang' and I'm not [I've never heard of it in fact], or why I'm going to love K-Pax, no better, 'Sucker Punch' and 85% of people are going to hate it [like actually rather than love]. The psychologist who could unravel these likes and dislikes to the point where he could predict with 100% certainty what any given person would like, love, hate, be ambivalent to, etc, etc, would have gone deep into understanding what makes us what we are indeed.
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Cail, I have some of the same issues are not what the film snobs think of as classics. I tend to have Joe Vs The Volcano and Fear Of A Black Hat on my top 10 list.
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i don't think you can leave zeitgeist out of this discussion.

i was born in 1958. someone that was born in 1980 will have a much different set of tastes than i do.

the films that were made during the 1970's say, will have a much different appeal to me than they would to someone born in the '80's, don't you think?

i know that people my grandmothers age would not really have cared much for films that i like, for instance. (i.e. A Clockwork Orange or Alien) meh, maybe those aren't great examples but maybe you see what i'm trying to get at?

it's just a niggling thought. :D
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Possibly. Take a film like Vanishing Point. To my mind, one of the best movies ever made. I was 3 when it came out. I appreciate it for what it is, and I understand the cultural context of it, but only from an academic viewpoint. Someone who was 23 in 1971 is going to have a very different viewpoint simply because they were immersed in everything that was 1971 (even if you weren't part of the counterculture, you were aware of it).

That doesn't make my opinion of the film any less valid, and the things that I appreciate the film for could very well be the same things the 23 year old appreciates. The approach is different, the result is the same.
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But there always will be films that have the power to trancend this - though by no means the same ones for each if us. I could give many examples of films I love that were made long before I was born [the Johhny Weismuller 'Tarzan' films, Frankenstein/Dracula/the Wolfman etc, Cagney.....the list is endless], and not just for academic reasons - but because I love them. In fact it is 'the vibe' of these old films that does it for me in a way that 1970's films, although I was in my teens at that time, has lost - The films I re-watch from the 70's look dated [much as I loved them at the time]and weird now; 40's and 50's films still feel 'right' to me.
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Cail wrote:Possibly. Take a film like Vanishing Point. To my mind, one of the best movies ever made. I was 3 when it came out. I appreciate it for what it is, and I understand the cultural context of it, but only from an academic viewpoint. Someone who was 23 in 1971 is going to have a very different viewpoint simply because they were immersed in everything that was 1971 (even if you weren't part of the counterculture, you were aware of it).

That doesn't make my opinion of the film any less valid, and the things that I appreciate the film for could very well be the same things the 23 year old appreciates. The approach is different, the result is the same.
peter wrote:But there always will be films that have the power to trancend this - though by no means the same ones for each if us. I could give many examples of films I love that were made long before I was born [the Johhny Weismuller 'Tarzan' films, Frankenstein/Dracula/the Wolfman etc, Cagney.....the list is endless], and not just for academic reasons - but because I love them. In fact it is 'the vibe' of these old films that does it for me in a way that 1970's films, although I was in my teens at that time, has lost - The films I re-watch from the 70's look dated [much as I loved them at the time]and weird now; 40's and 50's films still feel 'right' to me.

right, I agree with both of you. in fact I had typed a much longer version of the the post you guys are referring to that included an example very similar to cail's example but I felt like I was blathering so I erased most of it and just left the bare bones of my thought.

what I was really trying to get at was in reference to the original post,
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I've often felt that a good psychologist could probably get more of an insight into the internal world of a person by a study of their ten favorite films, than by about any other means. The range of films in subject, tone, and overall feel is so huge, and we all so have exactly the ones that do it for us, that surely this must reflect [in the form of say metaphorical keys] some kind of internal [again say metaphorical locks] state/structure that is completely unique to the individual. I wonder if any work has ever been done in this feild. Does anyone have any observations to make on this [nb my knowledge of psychology is effectively zilch so it may be absolute bollocks].
in thinking about why we like what we like (in films) and what that might say about us to "a good psychologist" and I thought zeitgeist or age group would play into that kind of assessment. in fact I think you'd want to look at age group and time period of birth as a first criteria of any kind of psychological assessment based on films.

so for instance,

I was born in 1958 and so the first films I was exposed to in my first decade of life would have been from the 1960's or earlier. my parents exposed me to their tastes and so their influence would have to be evaluated.
and I can tell you I saw an eclectic group of films in my first decade, from Little Red Riding Hood to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf and everything in between. oh yeah...zeitgeist? heh. Help and Hard Days Night when I was 6 or 7. oh and all the "scary" movies that were on tv on Friday and Saturday nights (Terror in the Night and Thriller 18 on NBC and CBS affliates that played all the OLD scary movies, Boris Karloff in Frankenstein, Bela Lugosi's Dracula, etc). I saw The Birds and The Haunting of Hill House in a double feature before I was even 10 yrs old. I saw Whatever Happened to Baby Jane at the drive-in. also, my dad and mom took me to see Lawrence of Arabia when I was too young to even have a clue what the movie was about. LOL!!! (I think they just didn't have a babysitter that day)
and then came the films of the 1970's...
heh.
yep I saw the Production Code breaker Bonnie and Clyde (1967) on it's first run! my dad didn't have any qualms about allowing me to see any film. He took me to see The Exorcist when I was 15 (because you couldn't get in without a parent if you were under the age of 16.)

so....

all of that had quite an impact on my taste in films right?
my younger brothers (one is 8 yrs younger than me, one is 13 yrs younger) did not have the same kind of experience as I did because of when they were born. they did see many of the same movies but much later. they did not get to go with my parents to many of the movies I did because I was old enough to babysit, right? so...they weren't exposed to the same stuff as I was at the same age.
so their tastes were not impacted in the same way mine were.

that's what I was trying to get at in my post. it's not just "what kind of movies you like says blah blah blah about you". it's not that simple.

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Yes, absolutely Lucimay. The idea really sprung from the notion that our taste in films is so unpredictable [not from the central area of our 'likely likes and dislikes', but at those odd little marginal places that makes a tough biker like Les Miserables or an Oxford academic really go for Legally Blonde . This had to say something about us - but I'm beginning to loose faith in the idea. I agree - we just ain't gonna shake of the backdrop of the world we learned to think in when our individual tastes are determined and this is going to necessarily provide the 'scaffold' upon which our own nature and nurture will build. [Can't seem to stop talking in metaphors at the moment :lol: ] So yes - the idea is definitly over simplistic BUT still could provide fertile ground for at least some degree of self-analysis or increased self-knowledge.
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peter wrote:Yes, absolutely Lucimay. The idea really sprung from the notion that our taste in films is so unpredictable [not from the central area of our 'likely likes and dislikes', but at those odd little marginal places that makes a tough biker like Les Miserables or an Oxford academic really go for Legally Blonde . This had to say something about us - but I'm beginning to loose faith in the idea. I agree - we just ain't gonna shake of the backdrop of the world we learned to think in when our individual tastes are determined and this is going to necessarily provide the 'scaffold' upon which our own nature and nurture will build. [Can't seem to stop talking in metaphors at the moment :lol: ] So yes - the idea is definitly over simplistic BUT still could provide fertile ground for at least some degree of self-analysis or increased self-knowledge.


very nicely said! :D that's what i was trying to say. god why on earth does it take me 50 sentences to say what i mean??? LOL!!!!

still and all...i think our tastes do "profile" us to a great degree.
if you only knew the sort of films i liked, say a list of 50 or 100 films,
would you be able to tell my age, or where i was from, or things about
my personality? what are the ratios of types of films i am interested in say, the percentage of comedies to dramas, horror to westerns, crime, etc.
i mean sometimes even i am surprised by what i like and can't figure out why! lol!!

i have no idea why Back to the Future is one of my all time favorite movies! :oops:
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Ok - for the record, here's my list. [In no particular order.]

1. Funny Bones starring Oliver Platt, Lee Evans and Jerry Lewis.
2. Watchmen - the film of the graphic novel.
3. Much Ado About Nothing - Kenneth branagh's version.
4. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly [Eli Wallach's Tuco - my all time favorite film charachter along with Rorschach]
5. Magnolia - Tom Cruise's best ever role.
6. Pulp Fiction - nuff said.
7. Leon - coolest line in a film ever [Natalie Portman; Is life always this hard or is it just when you are a kid. Leon; Always this way.]
8. The Fisher King [ See another thread]
9. Scindler's List [ The best film ever made?]
10. Edward Scissorhands/The Appartment/A Man Called Horse/1492/Straw Dogs/Rage in Harlem and every other one of my all time ten favorite films that I ran out of integers between 1 and 10 for.
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peter wrote:5. Magnolia - Tom Cruise's best ever role.

the only one we share in our respective top tens. 8)

peter wrote:10... and every other one of my all time ten favorite films that I ran out of integers between 1 and 10 for.
yeah. me too.


i'm not sure I could narrow to 10 but i'll give it a shot (no particular order)


magnolia
american beauty
young Frankenstein
back to the future (solely because I've already mentioned it, heh)
fearless (the peter weir movie)
picnic at hanging rock
bladerunner
bonnie and clyde
double indemnity
the deer hunter (because I needed to include all those actors somehow on this list)
serpico or scent of a woman or author author or sea of love or dog day afternoon or ...and justice for all or any given sunday or Donnie brasco or insomnia...I think you get the idea here.
rainman or the graduate or little big man or lenny or all the president's men or...yeah, him too...or Kramer vs Kramer...which brings me to
still of the night, the French Lieutenant's Woman, plenty
the exorcist
American Psycho
swimming with sharks
road to perdition
the shawshank redemption
what ever happened to baby jane?
who's afraid of Virginia woolf?
the hours
rabbit hole
henry V (the Kenneth branaugh version, of course)
heavenly creatures
six degrees of separation
all about eve
Dolores Claiborne
barfly
angelheart
punch drunk love
punchline
apocalypse now
all of nightmare on elm street
night of the living dead
ordinary people
a river runs through it
quiz show
the last waltz (the greatest concert film of all time)
a lion in winter
silence of the lambs
a room with a view
poltergeist
...


ok i'm slowing down so i'll stop there. heh.
toldja I couldn't do 10. :lol:

from an analysis standpoint, not a lot of comedy on there is there!! LOL!!! :lol:

that's cause I got my comedy fix on tv. :D
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Wow - There were a good few there that would have been in my top 10 had I thought of them Lucimay!

I'd like to see a few more people's lists - would make interesting reading.

[From your avatar and what I know of your posts Lucimay, here's what I would have guessed your top 10 to be.
1. Lady Sings the Blues
2. Thelma and Louise
3. On the Waterfront
4. Good Night and Good Luck [should have been on my list]
5. Le Samourai [Alain Delon 1967]
6. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
7. Leaving Las Vegas

Just shows how much I know! :lol:
8. Woodstock
9. Psycho
10. The Tree of Life
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the line and smilley were supposed to be at the end ?!?!?!
President of Peace? You fucking idiots!

"I know what America is. America is a thing that you can move very easily. Move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way." (Benjamin Netenyahu 2001.)

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psycho
on the waterfront
and Thelma and Louise

SHOULD have been on my list.

oh also

Alien.


but I slowed down and stopped.

there's tons more films that I absolutely love
so many I just couldn't think of them all.

its worse with books. heh. :lol:


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Off the top of my head...and in no particular order...

Highlander
Pulp Fiction
Natural Born Killers
Withnail & I
Bram Stokers Dracula
Once Were Warriors
Blood In, Blood Out
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife And Her Lover
Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels
The Cube
Waking Ned
Life of Brian
City of Lost Children
Fear & Trembling
Man Bites Dog

Might as well add Branagh's Much Ado About Nothing (a hilarious film I first saw quite against my will and then loved) and the Romeo & Juliet with DiCaprio.

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Short list of some of my favorites:

Coffee & Cigarettes
Ghost Dog
The Saddest Music in the World
Pi
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OMG HOW DID I FORGET WITHNAIL & I?????? yeesh! that's probably in my top FIVE all time favorite movies!!! lol!!! :lol:

thanks Av! :D
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lucimay wrote:i don't think you can leave zeitgeist out of this discussion.

i was born in 1958. someone that was born in 1980 will have a much different set of tastes than i do.

the films that were made during the 1970's say, will have a much different appeal to me than they would to someone born in the '80's, don't you think?
Good point. Try a kid born this century. My son (2001) can spot a 70s movie within a few seconds. He'll complain, "Not another one of those old movies that takes forever to start!" Audiences today are used to a much different pacing than we were. Even typical "kid" movies like Superman or the first Star Wars just plod along for 45 minutes (after a ton of opening credits, especially the former movie). We have to constantly remind him, "Don't worry, it will get better!"
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Zarathustra wrote:
lucimay wrote:i don't think you can leave zeitgeist out of this discussion.

i was born in 1958. someone that was born in 1980 will have a much different set of tastes than i do.

the films that were made during the 1970's say, will have a much different appeal to me than they would to someone born in the '80's, don't you think?
Good point. Try a kid born this century. My son (2001) can spot a 70s movie within a few seconds. He'll complain, "Not another one of those old movies that takes forever to start!" Audiences today are used to a much different pacing than we were. Even typical "kid" movies like Superman or the first Star Wars just plod along for 45 minutes (after a ton of opening credits, especially the former movie). We have to constantly remind him, "Don't worry, it will get better!"

oh yeah :lol: hilarious that 70s movies are now "old" movies to your kids like 40s and 50s movies were "old" to us, right? :D

also on the point of zeitgeist, film content.
i'm sure cail could talk about the movements in content throughout
the history of film and how that plays into this kind of analysis.
things that were going on in the world affected what people wanted
to see in movies and thus what movies were made.
that's why i was saying you might be able to make a pretty good
guess at someone's age by what films they like.
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~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies



i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio



a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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