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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:For too many people it sounds like "papers, please", which has disastrous connotations associated with it.
In other words, the Russians did it so we're not going to do it because... Amurika!

We'll also pretend the Russians don't believe in God so any religiosity we may show is evidence of our superiority! Amurika!

And of course, the National ID would only lead towards the Immanencition of the Eschaton, canceling out the effects tin foil has against the Lizard People controlling our minds.
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Orlion wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:For too many people it sounds like "papers, please", which has disastrous connotations associated with it.
In other words, the Russians did it so we're not going to do it because... Amurika!

We'll also pretend the Russians don't believe in God so any religiosity we may show is evidence of our superiority! Amurika!

And of course, the National ID would only lead towards the Immanencition of the Eschaton, canceling out the effects tin foil has against the Lizard People controlling our minds.
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Orlion wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:For too many people it sounds like "papers, please", which has disastrous connotations associated with it.
In other words, the Russians did it so we're not going to do it because... Amurika!
Actually, I was thinking Third Reich but any such society will do. To many people's way of thinking, instituting a national id is only one step away from having to show your id to any random police officer who happens to walk up and ask for it. Unless you are the suspect in some crime the police have no need to know who you are, where you are going, or what you are doing.
Orlion wrote:Immanencition of the Eschaton
I loved the Illuminati Trilogy; it has been too long since I read it.
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Hahaha, good post Orlion. :D

<<< As for Immanentizing the Eschaton... :twisted:

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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Orlion wrote:
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:For too many people it sounds like "papers, please", which has disastrous connotations associated with it.
In other words, the Russians did it so we're not going to do it because... Amurika!
Actually, I was thinking Third Reich but any such society will do. To many people's way of thinking, instituting a national id is only one step away from having to show your id to any random police officer who happens to walk up and ask for it. Unless you are the suspect in some crime the police have no need to know who you are, where you are going, or what you are doing.
Orlion wrote:Immanencition of the Eschaton
I loved the Illuminati Trilogy; it has been too long since I read it.
I liked Masks of the Illuminati more. Did you ever read that one?
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Ananda wrote:I liked Masks of the Illuminati more. Did you ever read that one?
No. Well, at least I don't really having read it. I'll have to track it down. Robert Anton Wilson also wrote Everything Is Under Control, the encyclopedia of conspiracy theories and Illuminati lore.
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www.ehow.com/list_7285969_advantages-na ... cards.html

the article sums up how I feel about a national id card.

Information Association
ID cards help associate a lot of information with a particular person. For example, an ID card might carry information such as health risks that the individual holds, according to the University of Miami. This card can be scanned and searched on a national database when the individual has a medical emergency and suddenly has to go to a hospital. If the patient is difficult to identify, such as when the patient is badly hurt or unconscious, the only way that the patient can probably be identified is through the card.

National Security
National ID cards are implemented for national security reasons. Government officials can prevent individuals who are not supposed to be in a certain area, such as individuals who have been deemed national security threats, from performing certain actions such as flying. ID cards also help law enforcement identify an individual who is a suspect of a crime, according to the University of Miami. The ID cards can help individuals owning the card in a law enforcement situation, since these individuals can show their ID cards to demonstrate that they are in fact who they say they are.

Identity Theft
ID cards help combat identity theft. If a country has universal standards for ID cards and is able to prevent forgery of these cards, conducting identity theft can be more difficult because the owner of the ID card can prove his identity. Many businesses require that customers show their ID card when using a debit card or a credit card. With state-issued identification cards, some states might not use the most fail-safe measures against card forgery.

Illegal Employment
National ID cards will likely be used to fight illegal employment. Those who are undocumented immigrants are not allowed to work within many countries. Authentic national ID cards will help employers identify if a job applicant is actually a citizen of the country.

Voting
Some citizens might try to vote in elections more than once. Many times, they come up with fictional characters so that a candidate can get additional votes. National ID cards prevent forged identities, according to
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when I'm running things I'm getting rid of trouble makers like you two.
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Hey, I was talking to Hashi. :D

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I was asking Sarge for his papers in my best German, which is another way of saying "my German isn't very good".

When I am running things, Sarge, I will actively seek out troublemakers to appoint to Cabinet posts because I place more trust in people who question and distrust things. I also want my close advisers to question me, as well.
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Do you? Why?

Really Sarge ......... you are a bit of a fascist deep down eh? :P
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finn wrote:Do you? Why?

Really Sarge ......... you are a bit of a fascist deep down eh? :P
I have never hidden that. ask avatar or anyone who has been on the tank any amount of time.

I don't trust people to do the right thing. I believe in a harsh(er) judicial system.

I believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

and I absolutely do not trust our current government.
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I have never hidden that. ask avatar or anyone who has been on the tank any amount of time.
Fascists never seem to know when they are being teased do they.. ;)

Oh and I have 10 years in here come Wednesday!
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finn wrote:
I have never hidden that. ask avatar or anyone who has been on the tank any amount of time.
Fascists never seem to know when they are being teased do they.. ;)

Oh and I have 10 years in here come Wednesday!
congrats. being wrong for ten years but still you strive. I admire your tenacity. :)
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:lol: :biggrin: :lol:

Why thank you, I'll try to remember your anniversary next year and wish the same, assuming you don't have some sort epiphany in the meanwhile and join me on this, the enlightened side of wrongness! :P
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finn wrote::lol: :biggrin: :lol:

Why thank you, I'll try to remember your anniversary next year and wish the same, assuming you don't have some sort epiphany in the meanwhile and join me on this, the enlightened side of wrongness! :P
I am an American. facts will not make me change my mind. :P
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:LOLS:

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Avatar wrote::LOLS:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY

*language alert*

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