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He means that, since he couldn't lay his hands on a physical copy, I took the liberty of sending him an e-text version.
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How cool is that?!?! Where the heck do you find e-texts of books anyway?? Since those books are out of print, I can't imagine there's a copywrite problem with it.-
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I have some school reading to take care of first though.You're very welcome, LM!
In that case: anyone who wants a copy, give me a shout.Fist and Faith wrote:Since those books are out of print, I can't imagine there's a copywrite problem with it.
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Could use a copy of War in Heaven. I've tried ordering it twice at the local library.
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I think we should all read and discuss Neverness.
I'm trying to remember if I ever read it in the past.
I'd love an etext of it!
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I'm trying to remember if I ever read it in the past.
I'd love an etext of it!
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Empress Cho hammers the KABC of Evil.
"If Ignorance is Bliss, Ann Coulter must be the happiest woman in the universe!"
Take that, you Varlet!
Edge wrote:
Don't you see how this statement can be an insult to non- Christians?
If I believe in forgiveness as an admirable trait of humanity, I live only by the Christian code?
Clarify, please.
Now how is that?Actually, if you're living a life of forgiveness, that makes you a Christian by default.
Don't you see how this statement can be an insult to non- Christians?
If I believe in forgiveness as an admirable trait of humanity, I live only by the Christian code?
Clarify, please.
And Lurch:
Send Caamora a simple apology via PM, please.
I agree with all you've posted in this thread (including the edited one)
I do think, however, the vitriol was just a little much than we tend to go for around here.
And no doubt (in my mind, maybe I'm wrong...) the ganging up on is causing the line in the sand.
But what do I know...
Send Caamora a simple apology via PM, please.
I agree with all you've posted in this thread (including the edited one)
I do think, however, the vitriol was just a little much than we tend to go for around here.
And no doubt (in my mind, maybe I'm wrong...) the ganging up on is causing the line in the sand.
But what do I know...
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Well, first of all, I only phrased it like that because Danlo and I were kidding around.Dromond wrote:Edge wrote:Now how is that?Actually, if you're living a life of forgiveness, that makes you a Christian by default.
Don't you see how this statement can be an insult to non- Christians?
If I believe in forgiveness as an admirable trait of humanity, I live only by the Christian code?
Clarify, please.
What I actually believe: just because someone doesn't claim the label of 'Christian', doesn't mean they're automatically doomed.
If you're interested as to how I as a (pretty vocal) Christian justify this belief, it's right here:
And what I mean by 'All truth is God's truth' is this: If I come across something from a different belief or faith: if I recognise it as true, and it doesn't specifically contradict what I know of God - I'm not going to reject it just because it didn't come from a 'Christian' source.Then the King will say to those on the right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.' "Then these righteous ones will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' And the King will tell them, `I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!' - Matthew 25:33-40
...hope that makes sense, and isn't offensive.
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Wow. I am glad I was not online this weekend for the explosion.
Cam... personally I enjoyed it. I used to be really religious. These days I am more spiritual than religious and I am sort of a Pagan/Catholic hybrid. My basic feelings and beleifs remain unchanged, but have grown and branched out in more directions. Some things I was told to beleive, I do not continue to take as my own, but I still have respect for anyone that lives what they beleive. I find truth and beauty in all beleifs, albeit I find more in some and less in others.
I found the article quite lovely. No offense to Pagans, because I am one, but many of the Pagans I have known were some of the best "Christians" I've ever known. By that I mean they live and love as Christians preach. AN example is when I lived in Jacksonville, FL we went to a UU church. I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. What blew my mind was the people who helped me, were there for me, brought casseroles, etc were the UU Pagans! Before that I had been leary of them because I was indoctrinated with them as being "bad." Over the years I have still not had help from any Catholic church. No one ever went out of their way to show even simple kindness, but these wonderful people that I was always told were "bad" were there to love me when I needed it. They were also the ones there when my husband abandoned me pregnant with a third child. Did I get so much as a card or a call from anyone I was raised with? No. No help or consolation whatsoever.
Tell me. Who is the better "Christian"? The people that were Christian or the Pagans that showed true love and concern?
So by "Christian" I refer to a way of behaving and treating others that has nothing to do with a beleif or disbeleif in Christ.
Thank you for sharing, Cam.
Cam... personally I enjoyed it. I used to be really religious. These days I am more spiritual than religious and I am sort of a Pagan/Catholic hybrid. My basic feelings and beleifs remain unchanged, but have grown and branched out in more directions. Some things I was told to beleive, I do not continue to take as my own, but I still have respect for anyone that lives what they beleive. I find truth and beauty in all beleifs, albeit I find more in some and less in others.
I found the article quite lovely. No offense to Pagans, because I am one, but many of the Pagans I have known were some of the best "Christians" I've ever known. By that I mean they live and love as Christians preach. AN example is when I lived in Jacksonville, FL we went to a UU church. I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. What blew my mind was the people who helped me, were there for me, brought casseroles, etc were the UU Pagans! Before that I had been leary of them because I was indoctrinated with them as being "bad." Over the years I have still not had help from any Catholic church. No one ever went out of their way to show even simple kindness, but these wonderful people that I was always told were "bad" were there to love me when I needed it. They were also the ones there when my husband abandoned me pregnant with a third child. Did I get so much as a card or a call from anyone I was raised with? No. No help or consolation whatsoever.
Tell me. Who is the better "Christian"? The people that were Christian or the Pagans that showed true love and concern?
So by "Christian" I refer to a way of behaving and treating others that has nothing to do with a beleif or disbeleif in Christ.
Thank you for sharing, Cam.
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"You can always procrastinate later."
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You know, C.S. Lewis, a very wise man, once said that religion is like a math problem. There is ONE RIGHT ANSWER--but some answers are nearer to correct than others.
I probably butchered the quote (I'm sure Edge can present us with the correctly phrased one, as I know he is also a C.S. Lewis fan), but the idea is that no religion is completely right or wrong. There are elements of good/God in each one.
And I love the spot in Chronicles of Narnia in The Last Battle where Aslan tells the Calormenian Emeth, who had striven all his life to serve "Tash," the equivalent of Satan, that he (Aslan) took all good to himself, it being the intent of the HEART that mattered, and not the dogma (or catma or elephantma, presumably) of any particular religion.
It is from that particular passage of Narnia (along with the verses already quoted by Edge from the Bible) that leads me to believe that people I love who proclaim themselves Atheists will be joining me in "Aslan's Country" one day.
I probably butchered the quote (I'm sure Edge can present us with the correctly phrased one, as I know he is also a C.S. Lewis fan), but the idea is that no religion is completely right or wrong. There are elements of good/God in each one.
And I love the spot in Chronicles of Narnia in The Last Battle where Aslan tells the Calormenian Emeth, who had striven all his life to serve "Tash," the equivalent of Satan, that he (Aslan) took all good to himself, it being the intent of the HEART that mattered, and not the dogma (or catma or elephantma, presumably) of any particular religion.
It is from that particular passage of Narnia (along with the verses already quoted by Edge from the Bible) that leads me to believe that people I love who proclaim themselves Atheists will be joining me in "Aslan's Country" one day.
Empress Cho hammers the KABC of Evil.
"If Ignorance is Bliss, Ann Coulter must be the happiest woman in the universe!"
Take that, you Varlet!
Sorry, Syl - the only other one I have is 'The Broken God' (Danlo's story).Syl wrote:Could use a copy of War in Heaven. I've tried ordering it twice at the local library.
Btw, I'm happy to pass this on too for anyone who wants it, as it's also out of print.
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That's cool. Let's just hope I have better luck with The Lightstone (it's on order at the moment)
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-George Steiner
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