How did Noah fit all the animals in the ark?

[babybottomfeeder]

I'm not an atheist and I'm not saying it didn't happen, I am simply wondering how Noah got 2 of every animal on the ark. Let's discuss so we can come up with the most logical way he did it. I myself imagine that the boat was miles long and miles high. It probably also relied on the help of the animals themselves to steer the rudder as, hydraulic technology wouldn't be around for a while. Maybe there were 2 elephants, 2 rhinos, 2 buffalo and 2 polar bears steering? I mean, not steering, a person like noah would have steered. I mean, supplied the muscle to steer the rudder?

Confused! Please Help!

[Orlion]

Have you ever watched Dr. Who? The TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space, of course!) was the size of a police phone booth on the outside, but inside was considerably larger... I'm not sure how big, but big enough to hold all the time traveling mechanism and a considerable wardrobe.

So Noah was a Time Lord, and the ark was a particularly big TARDIS.

[TheFallen]

Have you ever watched Dr. Who? The TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space, of course!) was the size of a police phone booth on the outside, but inside was considerably larger... I'm not sure how big, but big enough to hold all the time traveling mechanism and a considerable wardrobe.

So Noah was a Time Lord, and the ark was a particularly big TARDIS.

Orlion, you're a geek (and probably a closet Trekkie as well).

Given your clear predilection for all things sci-fi, as a word of warning, take a look at the following video which shows the sort of person you'll inevitably become if you don't immediately eschew and reject all things science fiction related.

Triumph the insult comic dog outside the Star Wars:Attack of the Clones premier

(Apologies if you guys have seen it before - it always makes me choke laughing)

[rdhopeca]

Have you ever watched Dr. Who? The TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space, of course!) was the size of a police phone booth on the outside, but inside was considerably larger... I'm not sure how big, but big enough to hold all the time traveling mechanism and a considerable wardrobe.

So Noah was a Time Lord, and the ark was a particularly big TARDIS.

Orlion, you're a geek (and probably a closet Trekkie as well).

Given your clear predilection for all things sci-fi, as a word of warning, take a look at the following video which shows the sort of person you'll inevitably become if you don't immediately eschew and reject all things science fiction related.

Triumph the insult comic dog outside the Star Wars:Attack of the Clones premier

(Apologies if you guys have seen it before - it always makes me choke laughing)

I was going to suggest this thread get moved to the Close, but now....

If you like Triumph, you'll love this... Triumph the insult comic dog at the Michael Jackson trial

[Orlion]

Have you ever watched Dr. Who? The TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space, of course!) was the size of a police phone booth on the outside, but inside was considerably larger... I'm not sure how big, but big enough to hold all the time traveling mechanism and a considerable wardrobe.

So Noah was a Time Lord, and the ark was a particularly big TARDIS.

Orlion, you're a geek (and probably a closet Trekkie as well).

Given your clear predilection for all things sci-fi, as a word of warning, take a look at the following video which shows the sort of person you'll inevitably become if you don't immediately eschew and reject all things science fiction related.

Triumph the insult comic dog outside the Star Wars:Attack of the Clones premier

(Apologies if you guys have seen it before - it always makes me choke laughing)

I knew the risks

[babybottomfeeder]

? I was asking a legitimate question about the bible. Why are you guys throwing sarcasm my way? I thought you guy's would understand. Don't make fun of me please.

[Savor Dam]

Oh, yes, definitely...an insult comic whose schtick is to let an attack dog puppet (rather appropriate, at that!) front for him is manifestly superior to the geeks and celebrities he mocks.

Yes, he's funny. Profound social commentary...not so much. Geek on, Orlion!

As for babybottomfeeder, all I can do is offer this advice:

Just Keep Swimming...

[Vraith]

? I was asking a legitimate question about the bible. Why are you guys throwing sarcasm my way? I thought you guy's would understand. Don't make fun of me please.

Completely seriously then: there is no logical way possible. So the options are:
1) it just didn't happen.
2) World flooding and Every animal are poetic license [metaphor, hyperbole, etc.] and it really was just a flood of nearby, and he took breeding stock of a couple beasties.
3) it was a Miracle, no logical explanation needed or possible.

Not so seriously: frozen embryos and a mechanical womb.

[Orlion]

? I was asking a legitimate question about the bible. Why are you guys throwing sarcasm my way? I thought you guy's would understand. Don't make fun of me please.

Sorry, man, I'm sure no one here meant to make fun of you (sounds like they're mostly making fun of me ) The logistics of an ark carrying animals is pretty tough, let alone all the animals. Of course, I think it could be read in relative terms: as in all the animals the biblical writers knew about, as opposed to the 9 billion different species that we know of today.

In other words, an explanation may exist, but we can't bring our knowledge into it, the biblical writers didn't have that.

Otherwise, we get the following: (posted in good fun, but they are atheistic commentaries... in cartoon form!)
Here and here There's some coarse language in both (most in the second) and both are irreverent. You have been warned

[babybottomfeeder]

I literally interpret the bible. I see a moral problem with not, as the bible clearly instructs to do so.

[Orlion]

Let's go ahead and continue this discussion here. Other people who may want to weigh in on this discussion are more likely to see this topic here. I've also generalized it, but I'm sure we'll get into specifics like Noah's Ark.

[Worm of Despite]

I literally interpret the bible. I see a moral problem with not, as the bible clearly instructs to do so.

That's great, but first off:

This topic is obviously belonging in the religion forum. It's called the Close.

Second off: paragraph breaks. I've been reading a bunch of your posts and they're mostly illegible blocks. I'm not trying to be mean--just saying.

Thirdly: it's awesome to discuss Biblical literalism, so where in the Bible does it say it's cool to single out and attack Loremaster like you did in the "Go, George, Go" thread when the argument was obviously over?

I'd like to get to know you and think you're a cool guy. But really I'm holding out so I know what you're really about pal.

[aliantha]

Right: If this was meant to be a serious religious discussion, then it should have been in the Close to start with. So I'm going to move it there now.

[dANdeLION]

I myself imagine that the boat was miles long and miles high.

Genesis 6:15 in the Bible tells us the Ark's dimensions were at least 135 meters long (300 cubits), 22.5 meters wide (50 cubits), and 13.5 meters high (30 cubits). That's 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high! It could have been larger, because several larger-sized cubits were used. But the 45-centimeter (18-inch) cubit is long enough to show the enormous size of the Ark.

(A cubit was the length of a man's arm from fingertips to elbow.)

Higher than a 3-story building!

Noah's Ark was three stories high (Genesis 6:16). Its total deck area was equivalent to the area of about 20 standard college basketball courts or 36 lawn tennis courts. The world had to wait until AD 1884 before the Ark's size was exceeded, when the Italian liner Eturia was built.

The rectangular dimensions of the Ark show an advanced design in ship-building. Its length of six times its width and 10 times its height would have made it amazingly stable on the ocean. Remember it was made more for floating than sailing, because it wasn't headed anywhere. The Ark was made to withstand a turbulent ocean voyage, not to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Recent thought on the Ark's design is that it could have had a slightly tapered top at the front and back, instead of being squared off. But the famous rock formation near Mount Ararat with pointed ends, which some think is Noah's Ark, is definitely not!

[Fist and Faith]

Let's not forget all those animals had to be fed. So there had to be lots of extra room for tons of grain, hay, whatever. AND, there had to be many more than two of the animals that are eaten by other animals. Otherwise, if even only one was eaten, the species would have become extinct.

[Avatar]

Good point. For 2 elephants for a year, (they were out there a year right?) that would be 219,000 kg of feed.

And if you're feeding some animals to other animals, you need the food for the prey animals too.

And around 25,000 species of land animals and 10,000 bird species, (nothing can fly for a year without stopping). Did the bug species have to get taken too?

Ok, that said, going by the measurements ___ gave us, it has the dimensions of a fair sized tanker. Not much smaller than the biggest ones still in use. (With a cargo capacity of 3,000,000 barrels.)

A lot of room. But good luck keeping a pair of bush babies alive on a year long ocean voyage. Even if the animals, and the food and the birds and bugs and their food all fitted, those weren't condign, let alone adequate, conditions to keep that many living things alive for that long. And no margin of error.

It's allegorical, or perhaps it was a local event of much smaller scale that grew with the telling.

--A

[Orlion]

Let's not forget, you need a bigger group than a pair or even seven animals to propagate a species with sufficient genetic diversification. I can't recall the number, but I think it's between 25 and 50.

[Avatar]

I don't think it's a set number...depends on other factors like the environment after the bottleneck, breeding rate, stuff like that. Even a small population can eradicate its "bad" genes if it can breed enough that the viable genes survive, while the bad ones die off.

(Two is still probaly too few though.)

--A

[Fist and Faith]

Technically, it wasn't two of each animal. Something along the lines of seven of clean animals, and two of the unclean. (I have no idea which are clean and which are unclean.) So the genepool is better. However, that, of course, makes the logistics even worse.

[babybottomfeeder]

I literally interpret the bible. I see a moral problem with not, as the bible clearly instructs to do so.

That's great, but first off:

This topic is obviously belonging in the religion forum. It's called the Close.

Second off: paragraph breaks. I've been reading a bunch of your posts and they're mostly illegible blocks. I'm not trying to be mean--just saying.

Thirdly: it's awesome to discuss Biblical literalism, so where in the Bible does it say it's cool to single out and attack Loremaster like you did in the "Go, George, Go" thread when the argument was obviously over?

I'd like to get to know you and think you're a cool guy. But really I'm holding out so I know what you're really about pal.

I never asked for this kind of treatment. I believed Kevin's Watch to be a place free of the kind of attacking that you are practicing here. I find the concept of attacking a fellow poster reprehensible. I have never once come close to partaking in the actions that you accuse me of. I have a level of moral philosophy that allows for my inner monologue to outwardly project. However, this is not an attack, this is an exercise in the linear thinking objections that many moral thinkers express. I have a weak constitution to personal attacks. Please be kind to me. Don't point out my flaws. Like most of you, I am a shaky individual in the flesh and blood world of day to day living. I feel I am a Carpathian wandering the empty
Roads of Ancient Rome, only to find that Constantine has yet to arrive. Why is it that the moral philosophy of biblical thought is pounced upon like a rabbit in hops-and-tails weather? Mr. Lord Foul, I apologize for my incorrect paragraph structure. I have had a computer for going on 3 years now and prior to this, had not written a single word for 23 years. Day to day grocery lists and the like but never full paragraphs or contained thoughts. Please be patient with me sir Have a coxing tone in your voice and I shall retort with the ethical considerations afforded to a fellow moral philosopher. I respect and like you Mr. Lord Foul but I do not feel you have the right to attack me without first getting to know me as a poster?


I look forward to hearing your thoughts and feelings in a civilized manner.

Babybottomfeeder

p.s. Do you know Lore Master personally? You two seem to have a report that is gentlemanly and dare I say it neighborly? What country do you guy's live in?