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Before you laugh, how close are you to this? And how much of a problem in general do you see it as?

Who hasn't sat down for a quick game or surf, and suddenly it's 03h30?

Friend of mine plays WoW constantly. I mean, he spends all night levelling up his character, and can't function at work the next day.

And worst of i is I can easily see the tendancy in myself. If I had a broadband connection and a machine capable of the top graphics, I could easily suffer the same problem.

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Rehab for video game addicts

Amsterdam - An addiction centre is opening Europe's first detox clinic for video game addicts, offering in-house treatment for people who can't leave their joysticks alone.

Video games may look innocent, but they can be as addictive as gambling or drugs - and just as hard to kick, says Keith Bakker, director of Amsterdam-based Smith & Jones Addiction Consultants.

Bakker already has treated 20 video game addicts, aged 13 to 30, since January. Some show withdrawal symptoms, such as shaking and sweating, when they look at a computer.

His detox programme begins in July. It will run four to eight weeks, including discussions with therapists and efforts to build patients' interests in alternative activities.

"We have kids who don't know how to communicate with people face-to-face because they've spent the last three years talking to somebody in Korea through a computer," Bakker said. "Their social network has completely disappeared."

It can start with a Game Boy, perhaps given by parents hoping to keep their children occupied but away from the television. From there, it can progress to multilevel games that aren't made to be won.

Bakker said he has seen signs of addiction in children as young as 8.

'I would just keep going...'

Hyke van der Heijden, 28, a graduate of the Amsterdam programme, started playing video games 20 years ago. By the time he was in college he was gaming about 14 hours a day and using drugs to play longer.

"For me, one joint would never be enough, or five minutes of gaming would never be enough," he said. "I would just keep going until I crashed out."

Van der Heijden first went to Smith & Jones for drug addiction in October 2005, but realised the gaming was the real problem. Since undergoing treatment, he has distanced himself from his smoking and gaming friends. He says he has been drug- and game-free for eight months.

Like other addicts, Bakker said, gamers are often trying to escape personal problems. When they play, their brains produce endorphins, giving them a high similar to that experienced by gamblers or drug addicts.

Gamers' responses to questions even mirror those of alcoholics and gamblers when asked about use.

"Many of these kids believe that when they sit down, they're going to play two games and then do their homework," he said.

However, unlike other addicts, most gamers received their first game from their parents. "Because it's so new, parents don't see that this is something that can be dangerous," Bakker said.
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I can vouch for it! :lol: But again, to me, it's just focusing on another symptom, not the problem, of addiction. We have an addictive nature, let's find a way to handle that, and all the symptoms will automatically be accountable and curable, thru self help of realization and awareness of the problem's root, not the many heads it spawns, that keeps us in an endless batlle with "new" enemies, when they are just the same ones with different faces.
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That's a very good point. All it is is another substance that activates some people's innate addictive tendancies. And I certainly acknowledge that tendancy in myself.

However, that begs the question of what causes addictive behaviour in any medium.

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I think at heart I'm really just a casual gamer, so I won't suffer this particular vice. The closest I came to becoming a game addict was back in '96 when the original Quake for PC came out. I played the hell out of that game. I seem to recall a number of after-midnight fragging sessions.

When Unreal Tournament came out, I found myself staying up far too late again. But that was the last game to do that to me. Besides, my PC can't handle current games, and I'm not in no hurry to perform a drastic upgrade. I've got my cable modem and I'm content to just download and burn stuff.
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I sometimes play until late, but never 03.30 or anything.
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Yeah, never that late. 2am once, when I was playing Final Fantasy VIII. Apart from that, I usually manage to stop when it gets late.
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Better self-control than I have it seems. :lol:

Still, these days, even given the same problem as MM, I've got the GF shouting "When are you coming to bed?" :lol:

But as she'll attest, dragging me away from the PC can be a task in itself. 10 minutes invariable turns into an hour.

And that's the other thing...it eats time. I could have a whole lot of stuff planned, and suddenly, it's time to get some sleep, and nothing is done...especially with a new game.

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Wow, Av. That sounds bad. Maybe we should reserve in advance a room for you at that rehab clinic.

I think I got more pleasure out of upgrading my computer than from actual gaming. I loved to run benchmarks and watch the framerate numbers. Thankfully, I stopped the upgrading urge from becoming a real addiction as well. Now I don't care too much that my PC is behind the times in terms of raw processing power. Like I said, the Internet and a broadband connection serve to keep me happy for now. And even then, I see myself as a casual web-surfer, and I don't download stuff 24/7.

A few years ago, a colleague of mine actually got his high-speed service terminated by the cable company because he was repeatedly going over the monthly limit for downloading and ignoring notices from the company. He was downloading over 100 GB a month! Pretty insane, if you ask me. The ironic thing is that he actually has a job with the company now.

Getting back to this issue of gaming addiction, maybe it touches on the nature/nurture question. Does every 8-year old who gets handed a game console inevitably turn into a hopeless game addict? Or does it depend on what kind of person the kid is?

Myself, I got into video games as an adult. It was my younger stepbrother who actually introduced me to the world of console gaming in the form of that 8-bit wonder, the original Nintendo. Then Super NES, and then N64. Ah, fun times and great memories. Anyway, my stepbrother now has a Gamecube and PS2 - in addition to a PC, of course. But I'm not too concerned about him becoming some crazed game addict. Yes, he can be a dedicated player when he finds a game he loves, and he's a better gamer than I'll ever be, but he's also a well-rounded, sociable person. I would be extremely surprised if he were to go off the deep end and spend all his time on games.
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:LOLS: She keeps me in check. Sort of. :D

I can't afford to keep upgrading, so I have to live with what I've got until it breaks. :lol: But I've done 24-hour gaming sessions before. 48-hour ones playing Quake and Descent over a LAN in the old days, but we used...stuff...to keep us going in those days. ;)

I've had a PC since I was 10 years old, and never really liked console games. But I wonder if the question lies not so much in the nature part of the question, but the nurture part. Not what type of person you are, but your environment.

Maybe kids from broken homes say, are more prone to it? Still, that's not necessarily the whole of addiction either...plenty of people in stable environments become addicts, although more perhaps from unstable ones. And plenty of the reverse is true too, with people from unstable environments never having a problem.

Me, I know I've got predispositions. :D My father's an alcoholic, my brother a heroin addict. I have to watch out. ;)

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Avatar wrote:That's a very good point. All it is is another substance that activates some people's innate addictive tendancies. And I certainly acknowledge that tendancy in myself.
Me too. I can become addicted to just about anything, games included. When I get to the point of wishing I didn't have to go to work so I could play whichever game, I usually take a bit of a break.
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:lol: A wise decision. :D And recognising that tendancy in yourself is the best preventative.

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Avatar wrote: I can't afford to keep upgrading, so I have to live with what I've got until it breaks.
Same here. I spent far too much on upgrades from '97 to '01. Sure, it may not be a cocaine habit, but computer upgrades still add up. My finances are still recovering. I'm not going to perform any major upgrading until I feel a dire need to.
I've done 24-hour gaming sessions before. 48-hour ones playing Quake and Descent over a LAN in the old days, but we used...stuff...to keep us going in those days. ;)
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Maybe kids from broken homes say, are more prone to it?
That crossed my mind, too. In our case, I wouldn't say we had a broken home. Sure, there have been shouting matches, but nothing that would qualify for a slot on Oprah Winfrey (or Jerry Springer, yikes). I will say, though, that our dad was and is a clueless sort of parent, so I think it was a very good thing that my stepbrother discovered video games. Heck, it was good that I discovered them, too. Like I said, that was a fun time, when I really felt like a kid again, whether playing or just watching my stepbrother play.
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While I have no doubt that it can be a contributing factor, I don't think it's a causal link. The friend of mine who I mentioned at the beginning of this thread certainly doesn't come from a broken home. Quite the reverse...closely knit family, and he's one of the worst I've ever seen. :lol:

I think that for me, games are just another form of escapism. As I might have hinted once or twice, I don't think much of this reality we inhabit. Just as I've spent thousands of hours immersed in books, games provide the same sort of escape. Just like drugs. Perhaps that's what people become addicted to...the escapism...

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I have never really stayed up late for games. I did stay up till 2 once, playing Command & Conquer: Red Alert. I have also stayed up late to play Final Fantasy 7 once or twice because it was so good.
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Aah, you should be alright then. ;)

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Avatar wrote: Perhaps that's what people become addicted to...the escapism...
Makes sense to me. With sim-type games, though, perhaps it's not so much "escaping from reality" as it is a matter of escaping into an alternate version of reality over which you can control. Yes, now YOU can make Napoleon win at Waterloo. YOU can alter the outcome of the Cuban Missile Crisis and send the planet into WW III. So it's an addiction to...playing God?

But then, there are games like Call of Duty or Battlefield 1942 which try to immerse you as much as possible in a "realistic" war environment. You're not playing God in these games, you're trying to get as close as possible to what a foot soldier experiences short of actually being there. So you might say it's escape from one mundane reality (your 9 to 5 daily grind) to another mundane reality (a hapless soldier trying to survive his tour of duty).

I guess you and I are more into the "hyper-reality" games like Quake. True escapist stuff! :lol: Works for me. I never really cared for sim combat/ strategy games where you sneak around most of the time with a sniper rifle, and where with one shot it's game over. That kills the fun for me. I want the adrenaline rush of running around with some kick-ass futuristic weapon fragging everybody in sight. Yeah, gimme some good ol' mindless violence! :biggrin:
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:LOLS: Agreed on almost all counts. But generally, I don't like FPS games. I much prefer the type of games where, you guessed it, you play god in one form or another.

In fact, Quake was an anomoly for me I think. Most of the attraction was the large quantities of LSD we consumed to be able to play for a whole weekend without stopping, and of course, the visceral fun of blowing the hell out of other people. Multi-player is the only way I really enjoy those games. Single player gets boring very quickly.

Strategy games are my favourite type I must admit. :lol:

A very good point about those combat sims though...it's always our reality that's the boring one. If we actually got that other one, we'd long for an escape back to our mundane world.

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True story about someone being addicted to games. A Football Goalkeeper called David James(anyone who follows the Pemeriship will know him) was addicted to games. To think most sports people's addictions are drugs, Alcohol, sex, etc and they get in trouble for it(like being banned), this guy's addiction was computer games and the club he was playing for took to all sorts of places to get him off it.
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I was seriously addicted to World of Warcraft - playing it from 7am to 1am sometimes, eating dinner in front of the screen. It was great fun but I am glad that part of my life is in the past.
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For my fifth Christmas, my parents got me an NES and the Mario/Duck hunt laser gun combo. Flash forward a decade or so: I weighed 300 pounds and spent an extra year in highschool. I'd come home, sit in front of the computer, ignore homework, and then commence to play or read/write about video games until midnight. Thanks mom and dad! ;)

It took the pressure of college to make me lose 140 pounds and play my games in mild portions. That said, I don't think I'll ever completely stop playing video games, though I've come very close. I don't go crazy without them anymore, that's for sure. I still do all-nighters/marathons sometimes, but it's mostly on weekends or during the summer (which happens to be now, yay). I figure life's not complete without some occasional binging (that goes for food too).

Again: don't think games will ever release their hold on me. I mean, my New Year's resolution was to beat Chrono Trigger, for chrissake!
Avatar wrote:And that's the other thing...it eats time. I could have a whole lot of stuff planned, and suddenly, it's time to get some sleep, and nothing is done...especially with a new game.
Amen. I'd just like to publicly thank Firaxis Games for adding an alarm clock to Civilization IV. :lol:

Oh, and this Monday I'm getting a DS Lite and New Super Mario Bros. Yoshi's Island is also coming through the mail. God help me!
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Avatar wrote: I can't afford to keep upgrading, so I have to live with what I've got until it breaks.
Same here. I spent far too much on upgrades from '97 to '01. Sure, it may not be a cocaine habit, but computer upgrades still add up. My finances are still recovering. I'm not going to perform any major upgrading until I feel a dire need to.
I want to slap my compulsive, cash-throwing self of the past. At one point, I had 2000$ in overdue child support money. I could have bought a car or upgraded my comp or bought a new video game system. What did I do? I bought a PS2, got bored with it, sold it on eBay. Bought a Nintendo DS, got bored with it, sold it on eBay. Bought a GameCube, got bored with it, sold it on eBay. I'm sure there was something else I got bored with, but by that point it was all one blur of boredom.

By the time I got control of myself, I only had about 300$ left, and my grandfather had to give me more for my Brit-Italy trip, which rather shamed me, as he had already paid for the trip itself.

Oh well, I've learned my lesson. I won't sell you, DS Lite. I will sell my uncle's white Fender on eBay, though. He made a mistake by leaving it under my bed.
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