Vaping. Is it safe?

[Skyweir]

oh yeah and sugar and processed foods also significant risk to health.

[Lazy Luke]

There are few benefits to inhaling smoke period ..

Can you name them please?

oh yeah and sugar and processed foods also significant risk to health.

And vaping strawberries and peaches, and ice scream is safer... ?

[Skyweir]

[peter]

A guy came into the shop yesterday and told me about a new system - I don't know if the Marlborough brand have developed it, but they certainly produce the tobacco for it - whereby you purchase what are essentially 20 small sticks of highly compressed tobacco (for about eight dollars he said) and insert them into a device that superheats them rather than burns them. Drawing on the thing, which has the size of a cigarette or vape pen, you get the flavour and presumably nicotine elements of the tobacco without the tar and much of the associated crap that is so harmful to you. He said, having tried it, he was mightily impressed that the effect was as close to smoking without doing so as you were going to get. Might be worth a look see. I'm not a fan of the vaping system - I simply question what is in the stuff you are sucking up and this new thing has the psychological value of the devil you know about it........

[Skyweir]

Interesting..

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Yeah, we have it here...know a few people who use it. It's essentially cigarette vaping.

--A

[peter]

I have bought a JOOL vape stick. Very impressed. Very simple - no liquid to top up (a simple clip in pod instead) no button to press, one hour charge time. Simply charge t up and go. It's a good taste with a number of fruit, mint or tobacco options, good 'throat' feel and very small and tasteful in appearance. Simply tap it anywhere with your finger and a minute colored light tells you the state of its charge. In the vaping stakes these guys have nailed it!

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They've got you now Peter.

--A

[peter]

Trouble is I just sit there admiring the thing - then spark up a cigarette anyway! Got to actually use the damn thing ...... that's the idea!

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My problem (as with rollies and cigars) is that when I've used it, I immediately want a proper cigarette too.

Clearly my body craves that specific blend of chemicals.

--A

[Lazy Luke]

Someone at work today had his vaper explode in his back pocket. He had 3rd degree burns to his butt
and left in an ambulance. You just can't make up stuff like that

[High Lord Tolkien]

So I guess not....or maybe....lol


Since I started this thread Massachusetts has declared a 4 month ban on vaping until a court case against vaping concludes.


Here's something from the Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... aping.html

Nearly 15,000 Americans have developed a life-threatening lung illnesses now called 'EVALI,' the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported Thursday.

And 33 people have died of the still-mysterious disease.

US health investigators are still unsure what causes EVALI (e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung illness), but 78 percent of patients have now reported using products that contain THC.

Only 10 percent of patients said they had only vaped nicotine, but health officials say they still cannot rule out the substance as a potential trigger for EVALI.


So far, the illnesses have primarily struck young people - nearly 80 percent of patients are under 35 - and the victims are getting younger.

A 13-year-old has become the youngest person to die of vaping-linked illness, underscoring the outsize and devastating effects e-cigarettes are having on American youth as US officials try to keep kids away from them.
People have died of vaping-related illness 24 states (red), the CDC reported Thursday as the death toll climbed to 33 people. The youngest victim was just 13 when they died


People have died of vaping-related illness 24 states (red), the CDC reported Thursday as the death toll climbed to 33 people. The youngest victim was just 13 when they died

The oldest patient sickened is 75, and the two recent deaths reported in Minnesota were in people over 50. Vaping illnesses can strike anyone.

But they are still disproportionately striking males, who account for 70 percent of patients.

There are now cases of EVALI in all but one state in the US.

But neither CDC nor state officials nor university scientists have been able to work out a definitive cause, but have zeroed in on THC e-cigarettes, most of which are illegally made bootleg products.

Still, health officials in a Friday media call said they can't rule out the possibility that nicotine vapes could cause illnesses.

The one upside to the emergence of so many cases of the disease is that health officials finally have enough information to instruct doctors to use imaging to detect the 'disease.

The newly-coined name stands for 'e-cigarette- and vaping-associated illnesses' and describes the lung injuries that almost always begin with a cough or shortness of breath and many feel sick to their stomachs and vomit.

As they've gathered this information, two new concerns have emerged. Some patients are being readmitted with respiratory problem, and, with flu and cold season ramping up, officials warn doctors may have to treat for both.

All but five percent of patients initially had coughs or shortness of breath, and 77 percent had gastrointestinal problems, like diarrhea, stomach pain and nausea, officials said in last week's call.

Almost half of the confirmed patients wound up in the ICU, and more than 20 percent of those patients had to be put on ventilators to breathe for them.

The vast majority of patients were started on steroids, and most of those improved.

'We don't know how many might have improved without corticosteroids, or if there are negative consequences [of steroids] like worsening infection risks,' said Dr Anna Schuchat, Principal Deputy Director of the CDC on Friday.

Nonetheless, the agency advises doctors 'consider' starting patients on steroids.

The vast majority of the patients - 76 percent - sickened by vaping used THC products, while only 13 percent said they'd used exclusively nicotine vapes.

Investigators are currently focusing on THC e-cigarette products, which are often illegal, adulterated nicotine pods or juices.

In early testing of e-cigarette cartridges and juices, scientists found concentrations between 13 and 77 percent THC in samples that contained the psychoactive compound.

Despite recent biopsy research suggesting it's toxins, not necessarily oil, that's damaging EVALI patients' lungs, US officials are still testing or the previously-suspected vitamin E acetate.

They found the the vitamin derivative in nearly half (47 percent) of the samples, at concentrations ranging from 23 and 88 percent.

They're also testing e-cigarettes for metals, pesticides and other potential contaminants.

'We're going to leave no stone un-turned, but we agree it may well be that there is no

One additional death has been reported each in Texas and Utah, and California and Georgia, bringing their respective death tolls to three and two.

Of the 1,299 people sickened, 80 percent are teenagers or adults under 35.

It's an alarming statistic that that fans driving a series of state attempts to keep the devices out of teens' hands.

It's unclear how many of the sickened teenagers used THC, but 15 percent of the total illnesses reported are among people under 18.

Just over 20 percent of the victims are between 18 and 20, 18 percent are between 21 and 24, 26 percent are in the 25 to 34 range, and 20 percent fall in the oldest bracket, over 35.

For reasons that remain unclear, the lung illnesses have primarily stricken men, who account for 70 percent of the patients, according to the CDC.

Although President Trump announced plans to ban e-cigarettes last month, the federal government has yet to act to stop the steady stream of vaping-related illnesses and death spanning the US.

One person has now died of vaping in Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas and Utah.

Three people have died in California and two in each Oregon, Georgia and Kansas.

[wayfriend]

Seven states in America have gone all-in on e-cigarette bans. Massachusetts outdid earlier vape bans in New York and Michigan by banning the sale of all vape products-not just flavored ones. States from Rhode Island to Montana to Oregon are enacting their own bans as more consider similar regulation. Everywhere you look, there's a new ban, and new backlash; New York's ban was actually blocked just this month. This fresh wave of e-cigarette outrage has been building for a while now.

[...] As of October, the CDC found more than 1,200 cases of lung injury in the U.S. that were linked to vape usage, 26 of which led to death, and the director of the CDC told Esquire he believes it's just "the tip of the iceberg." News outlets are ramping up reporting on the public health issue-NBC reported that some vape users are actually turning back to cigarettes to lessen their Juul dependence, which is, needless to say, ironic-and governments are ramping up serious regulations. The CEO of Juul resigned in late September as his company announced it would halt all forms of advertising. The federal government might even step in.

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A very human predisposition to start using something before we know much of anything about it...

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[Cagliostro]

There are few benefits to inhaling smoke period ..

Can you name them please?

Here's a few. But my friend, when we were both smoking regularly, said that it stimulates the brain, or some such nonsense. I noticed when quitting how much of a mental zombie I would become. I don't know if this is a provable point, but my friend did make a convincing argument.

[wayfriend]

And don't forget, it makes you cool.

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I don't know if this is a provable point, but my friend did make a convincing argument.

Well, for a start, nicotine is a stimulant...that's sorta the whole point.

Also, it binds to receptors in your brain and can actually increase the speed of transmission of neural signals between certain receptors.

Among other things, like stimulating dopamine and endorphin production.

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[wayfriend]

Caffeine does that as well. The problem is that there is an inverse effect when the stimulation is removed. Eventually you need the stimulation to be "normal".

The point is, I would hesitate to call this a positive.

[Skyweir]

Fair enough.

Yes I heard about the e cig thing too ... my son has stopped smoking ciggies and started the ecig thing. I rang him and sent him the info and hope he has chucked it in. Kinda scary the health implications that were flagged.

Definitely the ideal is to not take any stimulants but wheres the fun in that.

I dont smoke cigarettes and never have, in fact spent most of my life not drinking alcohol, coffee, tea, or doing drugs of any kind.

Since finding the lack in religion .. I allow myself an occasional drink and very lesser occasional joint. Mostly because we grow our own and theres a gap between having and not having.

So think its definitely a moderate approach for me. I do like a cup of coffee more regularly than I drink.

Somethings are bad even in moderation .. those things probably advisable to avoid.

But as I know believe YOLO.
And some vices are very enjoyable methinks.