What is your opinion of Dune Messiah.

[lorin]

lorin, I just noticed your location. I recently heard that sea turtles come to your area to lay eggs in the spring. That's the coolest thing!! I gotta bring the family down to see that next year!!

it is a pretty amazing place............sandy hook is the only reason I remain in jersey. the nesting seasons are really interesting. everything comes to a grinding halt. they stopped building a new bridge for piper nesting. cant bring your dog on the beach between march and october. but i just love it.

take a look at my pics of the beach (and a whole bunch of other stuff at
photobucket.com/
my name there is lorinellen.

[Kevin164]

The Dune Series pretty much evolved into the Berserker Series in Casablanca.

[Fist and Faith]

it is a pretty amazing place............sandy hook is the only reason I remain in jersey.

Eh?!?!? Isn't that a nude beach?? Looks like I need to come visit my 31st Watcher!!!

the nesting seasons are really interesting. everything comes to a grinding halt. they stopped building a new bridge for piper nesting. cant bring your dog on the beach between march and october. but i just love it.

take a look at my pics of the beach (and a whole bunch of other stuff at
photobucket.com/
my name there is lorinellen.

Oh, right, we were talking about turtles... Sounds really cool! There's a disturbing lack of naked women in your photos, but there's some excellent stuff there! I understand why you took so many of that white wood, whatever it is. Gorgeous! Some of those are places other than NJ?

[matrixman]

Don't know why I had the impression that the beach where those turtles do their thing was on some remote island in the middle of nowhere. But New Jersey? Smack in the middle of pollutin' human civilization?

And hey, Fist, I hope you don't think you can just come in here and get first dibs on photos of naked women, just because, er, you're taller than me. You're married now, bud.

[lorin]

...... But New Jersey? Smack in the middle of pollutin' human civilization?

hey, listen,MM. Don't beat around the bush. If you want to visit NJ just ask, don't try flattery.

actually, most of jersey is quite bucolic. look at me....defending new jersey....has it come to this?

[Fist and Faith]

And I hope you noticed that, in the interest of strengthening NY/NJ relations, I did not ask what exit you lived at.

[lorin]

And I hope you noticed that, in the interest of strengthening NY/NJ relations, I did not ask what exit you lived at.

but you MUST ask.......

ask

[Fist and Faith]

Nah, 's ok.

[lorin]

now this is interesting. I am enjoying Messiah way more than the first Dune. The find the character development and depth of story much better in this story.

Only half way through but I am hopeful.

[lorin]

ok, so I finished reading, yes I said Reading Dune Messiah and surprise surprise, I liked it. I was not expecting to like this book, but I did. We all know I did not like Dune. But now I have a better understanding of what I didnt like about it. I felt the characters were rushed in the first book. What I mean by this is Herbert spent a great deal of time developing a very intricate plot but to me the characters werent developed. I thought Messiah was very interesting as a character study. Herbert spent much less time developing the story line and much more time expounding on the characters. Put together the story felt complete.

ok............now.........take it easy on me.

[wayfriend]

This is good! It bodes well for you're liking the rest of the series.

[jacob Raver, sinTempter]

Before I start listening to it I'd love your opinion. I have to tell you I found Dune mediocre and want to know if it improves or am I wasting my time?

I'm listening to this one on my commute.

Anyone seen that episode of Family Guy where they're stuck in the panic room which is filling up with water? With death looming, Peter proceeds to admit that he never really like the Godfather all that much. Chris and Lois then have the standard argument that all Godfather fans have with those that disagree.

Yah, it's like that.

But...I can understand how one would see it as one-dimensional, as it is as intended to be. Dune, like Foundation and the Chrons are part of the foundation of modern SciFantasy which has expanded and improved on them (within the best ones at least). I tend to find the Chrons' characters one-dimensional, and forgive SRD for the lack of growth and depth (except with Mhoram in depth).

[Tjol]

Before I start listening to it I'd love your opinion. I have to tell you I found Dune mediocre and want to know if it improves or am I wasting my time?

I'm listening to this one on my commute.

If you find Dune mediocre, you'll only enjoy Dune Messiah if you like it's focus towards scifi politics... and Children of Dune only if you like it's focus on scifi ecology. I thought the first three deserved a lot of credit for the shear imagination involved in not only imagining characters and events, but also imagining the political system and ecological system those events take place in.

I enjoyed Dune and Dune Messiah most of the first three, but Children of Dune is interesting enough for the imagination involved. However, I'd say that God Emperor of Dune didn't have much in the way of events as it did with herbert's random contradictory philosophical musings, so the first three books are probably as far as you need to read.

[Avatar]

Now me, I loved God Emperor, didn't like Messiah much, and found Children only tolerable.

--A

[Tjol]

Now me, I loved God Emperor, didn't like Messiah much, and found Children only tolerable.

--A

Emperor is interesting philosophically, it's just short on events as compared to the rest of the series. It also does a lot of character development with one character. But what I'd liked about the Dune series was the context as much as the characters... and God Emperor was a different kind of tale.

In all honesty, there were points during the reading of God Emperor that I wondered if it'd been influence by Wolfe... or if Wolfe had been influenced by it, because of how extensive the internal monologues were as compared to the external conversations of the main character.

[Avatar]

I think I mainly liked how everything had changed...the vast span of time between Children and God Emperor...the Museum Fremen, the Fish Speakers...I like epic, and the Dune series is certainly epic in scope.

--A

[Tjol]

I think I mainly liked how everything had changed...the vast span of time between Children and God Emperor...the Museum Fremen, the Fish Speakers...I like epic, and the Dune series is certainly epic in scope.

--A

I know the following books essentially have all new characters minus one that keeps being re-cloned, but does it all continue to become a more internalised story than externalised story, or is God Emperor meant to serve as a transition from one history (Dune-Children of Dune) to the next (God Emperor and beyond)?

[Avatar]

Well, the next two after God Emperor follow on from each other, so yes, I suppose it could be considered a transitional book.

--A