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Her fate is worse than death. If you needed to include this plot, why not throw Kevin Landwaster in? - and why didn't she teleport back to where ever it is the dead go when they disappear? It's the one point I really disliked about the story.. .I really liked Elena way back when I first read the Illearth War.
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She who must not be named - clue
read these spoilers (couln't help myself as I wait eagerly for AATE). Browsing around Wikipedia today I came across this little snipppet, which I do not remember from the Second Chronicles -
There is also a third story told by the Clave, according to which the World was created as a prison for a-Jeroth "Of the Seven Hells" (an alternative title for Lord Foul) after he seduced the Creator's spouse.
I wonder if this is the identity of SWMNBN.
There is also a third story told by the Clave, according to which the World was created as a prison for a-Jeroth "Of the Seven Hells" (an alternative title for Lord Foul) after he seduced the Creator's spouse.
I wonder if this is the identity of SWMNBN.
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I had a friend once who kept a python as a pet. I once watched her feed the python. She dropped a mouse into its cage.shinnok wrote:Her fate is worse than death. If you needed to include this plot, why not throw Kevin Landwaster in? - and why didn't she teleport back to where ever it is the dead go when they disappear? It's the one point I really disliked about the story.. .I really liked Elena way back when I first read the Illearth War.
I will never forget the sheer and complete terror that transformed that poor mouse when it locked eyes with the python.
That's the image that came to mind (and continues to do so) as I read this part of the story.
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Well, I've read my ARC edition twice now...going to go on to the third time... (Yes, I too am going to buy the hardcover so that SRD gets his $$$$...probably will aslo buy the audio CDs)
Finally, this series feels like SRD of old. Books 1 & 2 made me wonder if SRD had lost his touch. Yes, I loved the books, but they didn't entrance me in the way that the 1st and 2nd chronicles did.
I always liked Linden in the 2nd chronicles and in these last chronicles it just didn't sound like Linden...it wasn't her voice. Yes she has been and is whiny and yes, I yes, I didn't like some of her choices, but it just didn't seem like her. Now, it feels like SRD has recaptured his writing mojo.
Where to start on questions/discussion? Hmmm....
Find deep rock...set up a forbidding...sounds like there is a way to stop the worm, no?
Did the Ranyhyn with Covenant die? (I know it isn't necessarily germane, but well, I don't want them to die...)
In some sense Jerimiah is a kind of creator....discuss
Roger already gave hints on how Foul could be trapped, right? maybe?
What do you all think about Covenant sealing the cracks in his memory, essentially returnign him to a mortality that does not include memories that would violate the necessity of freedom?
I'm bored with Roger...he causes havoc, yes, but neither his redemption or his destruction holds any interest to me. Covenant didn't neglect him. Roger's anger at Covenant for 'neglect' is against someone he doesn't know...Covenant as a symbol of Roger's neglect holds no new learnings.
Okay, there are more discussion items, but this is enough of a quick scattershot.
Cheers!
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Finally, this series feels like SRD of old. Books 1 & 2 made me wonder if SRD had lost his touch. Yes, I loved the books, but they didn't entrance me in the way that the 1st and 2nd chronicles did.
I always liked Linden in the 2nd chronicles and in these last chronicles it just didn't sound like Linden...it wasn't her voice. Yes she has been and is whiny and yes, I yes, I didn't like some of her choices, but it just didn't seem like her. Now, it feels like SRD has recaptured his writing mojo.
Where to start on questions/discussion? Hmmm....
Find deep rock...set up a forbidding...sounds like there is a way to stop the worm, no?
Did the Ranyhyn with Covenant die? (I know it isn't necessarily germane, but well, I don't want them to die...)
In some sense Jerimiah is a kind of creator....discuss
Roger already gave hints on how Foul could be trapped, right? maybe?
What do you all think about Covenant sealing the cracks in his memory, essentially returnign him to a mortality that does not include memories that would violate the necessity of freedom?
I'm bored with Roger...he causes havoc, yes, but neither his redemption or his destruction holds any interest to me. Covenant didn't neglect him. Roger's anger at Covenant for 'neglect' is against someone he doesn't know...Covenant as a symbol of Roger's neglect holds no new learnings.
Okay, there are more discussion items, but this is enough of a quick scattershot.
Cheers!
Steve
Romeo wrote:So ... was anyone else waiting for Stave to say "because I love her" when Covenant asked why he wouldn't let Linden leave his sight?
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I haven't re-read the Arc but that's what I remember...Madadeva wrote:Hmmmm .... lots of discussions about Diassomer Mininderain - I had thought she was Kastenessens squeeze - but perhaps she is the real name of She Who Must Not Be Named.
What do you all think?
I think the Worm will be stopped by a combination of a Forbidden and some kind of trap...right now the heroes are stacked - 2 rings, the staff and the krill. Starting to look like a Warcraft expedition.
One more thing - why didn't Kastenessen fall in the trap?
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I think Donaldson should have placed an answer with that reference in the spoilers page of the GI. If there isn't an AATE spoilers page yet, then there should be.Madadeva wrote:Hmmmm .... lots of discussions about Diassomer Mininderain - I had thought she was Kastenessens squeeze - but perhaps she is the real name of She Who Must Not Be Named.
What do you all think?
The Worm issue will be Linden's greatest test thus far. She has been tested all along, not necessarily for this end, but this one has become a necessary chore. I can't say who is primarily testing her, but different forces (mostly enemies) out there have different motives.shinnok wrote:I haven't re-read the Arc but that's what I remember...
I think the Worm will be stopped by a combination of a Forbidden and some kind of trap...right now the heroes are stacked - 2 rings, the staff and the krill. Starting to look like a Warcraft expedition.
One more thing - why didn't Kastenessen fall in the trap?
Setting the Worm back to rest will not only be Linden's greatest accomplishment since healing the Sunbane, it will set right a lot of wrongs she has ham-handedly committed through her unwieldy use of power.
I don't know what you mean by "the heroes are stacked." Nobody is even acting like a hero, that is, a person who transcends the limits of normal humanness in order to achieve something for the greater good. Even Linden has simple selfish motives. And in my spoilered comment below, Linden explains to Covenant that she is not the one who saves the world, she only wants to save her son.
I would agree that the weapons of power are "stacked" (?). (I don't play WoW.) Now we just need a third white gold ring to make things really interesting. But my belief has been that Roger will end up with his mother's ring. I see now that that is not very exciting, it would be even better if he somehow in the end managed to acquire Linden/Covenant's ring, or even both rings and the SoL.
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To Hell with putting the Worm back to sleep.....I want to see the Earth destroyed, and then get to see how our heores survive that, and then put the universe back together again
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I've speculated about that too. But then there is Linden's vision at the beginning of ROTE. In this vision Linden witnessed the destruction of Andelain, and also, the Worm.spoonchicken wrote:To Hell with putting the Worm back to sleep.....I want to see the Earth destroyed, and then get to see how our heores survive that, and then put the universe back together again
I take this vision to be a prophecy of things to come. (The destruction of Andelain by skurj was also foredoomed by the burning down of Covenant's farmhouse.) I also suspect that Linden is going to do more than engage in a stare-down contest with the Worm.
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