Syl wrote:I'm sure Johnson can hang. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson swing a couple early primaries. His marijuana decriminalization platform may appeal to young voters, but I'm not sure if young female voters will shy away from Johnson or not. It's really a question of who he gets to spearhead his campaign, and whether or not he could build up enough momentum to penetrate beyond the tea party base. The only thing I'm uncertain about is where the primary thrust of his tax policy will be directed; will the middle class continue to get the shaft, or does Johnson have the balls to fill in some of the corporate tax loopholes?
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It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
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might as well stand on the beach and command the tides to cease. Human nature creates a party structure in just about any government that comes up.Vraith wrote:Heh...which is why I often say [anyone sick of reading it yet?] I wish we could disband political parties.Cail wrote:Jesus, I sure hope we don't. Both parties suck.Avatar wrote:God forbid we should experience a little bipartisanship...
In a way, they really run like a mix of the worst qualities of a union and the board of a public corp.
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Yea, I know, you're right. I don't mind local/regional self-organizing groups. But I can't stand the top down, national, dictatorial hierarchy. In many ways, I find the whole 2-party structure essentially un-American...it's a concentration of power antithetical to freedoms...a duopoly isn't much better than a monopoly when they work together to suppress competition.Rawedge Rim wrote:might as well stand on the beach and command the tides to cease. Human nature creates a party structure in just about any government that comes up.Vraith wrote:Heh...which is why I often say [anyone sick of reading it yet?] I wish we could disband political parties.Cail wrote:Jesus, I sure hope we don't. Both parties suck.
In a way, they really run like a mix of the worst qualities of a union and the board of a public corp.
But I know I'm pissing into the wind.
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the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
If we as a people stopped giving money to national parties, and instead gave our monies to specific candidates...
Well, then again, I've never given money politically. But the only times I've ever even thought about donating money (that is when I had disposable income that I could give) was to individual candidates.
Does any American on these boards ever donate to the national parties? And if not, how is it that the national parties exist as organisations, rather than loose affiliations?
Well, then again, I've never given money politically. But the only times I've ever even thought about donating money (that is when I had disposable income that I could give) was to individual candidates.
Does any American on these boards ever donate to the national parties? And if not, how is it that the national parties exist as organisations, rather than loose affiliations?
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You work while you can, because who knows how long you can. Even if it's exhausting work for less pay. All it takes is the 'benevolence' of an incompetant politician or bureaucrat to leave you without work to do and no paycheck to collect. --Tjol
Well one chunk, I think comes from checking the "Donate a dollar" box on your tax filing forms.Tjol wrote:If we as a people stopped giving money to national parties, and instead gave our monies to specific candidates...
Well, then again, I've never given money politically. But the only times I've ever even thought about donating money (that is when I had disposable income that I could give) was to individual candidates.
Does any American on these boards ever donate to the national parties? And if not, how is it that the national parties exist as organisations, rather than loose affiliations?
I imagine Organizations are more likely to support a party, rather than a candidate, Party depending upon which ideology they favor.
Get out the Vote campaigns are often aimed at numbers a Party may gain or lose, so, they don't care who the candidate is, as long as they are the right party.
I Never Fail To Be Astounded By The Things We Do For Promises - Ronnie James Dio (All The Fools Sailed Away)
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
I used to donate via tax returns...but so many of the health based organisations started legislating good health with the semi-myth of second hand smoke laws here in California. As I always say, I don't smoke, but I have a problem with going on a witch hunt for smokers when second hand smoke isn't half the pollutant auto exhaust is... and we all seem to be just fine with auto exhaust.sindatur wrote:Well one chunk, I think comes from checking the "Donate a dollar" box on your tax filing forms.Tjol wrote:If we as a people stopped giving money to national parties, and instead gave our monies to specific candidates...
Well, then again, I've never given money politically. But the only times I've ever even thought about donating money (that is when I had disposable income that I could give) was to individual candidates.
Does any American on these boards ever donate to the national parties? And if not, how is it that the national parties exist as organisations, rather than loose affiliations?
I imagine Organizations are more likely to support a party, rather than a candidate, Party depending upon which ideology they favor.
Get out the Vote campaigns are often aimed at numbers a Party may gain or lose, so, they don't care who the candidate is, as long as they are the right party.
Once health interests started trying to legislate instead of educate, I didn't want my money being used by them anymore.
"Humanity indisputably progresses, but neither uniformly nor everywhere"--Regine Pernoud
You work while you can, because who knows how long you can. Even if it's exhausting work for less pay. All it takes is the 'benevolence' of an incompetant politician or bureaucrat to leave you without work to do and no paycheck to collect. --Tjol
You work while you can, because who knows how long you can. Even if it's exhausting work for less pay. All it takes is the 'benevolence' of an incompetant politician or bureaucrat to leave you without work to do and no paycheck to collect. --Tjol
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Alright. This guy has lots of buzz, lots of potential support if he decides to run [he's the only one even close to Romney in most places...and leads or is within margin of error if Bachmann and Palin aren't on the list] and then there is this:
How do you feel about this guy?
Lots of people even here were flabbergasted by Obama's "religious ties" and how "anti-American" they were.The event was Perry's idea but was financed by the American Family Association, a Tupelo, Miss.-based group that opposes abortion and gay rights and believes that the First Amendment freedom of religion applies only to Christians.
How do you feel about this guy?
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
That's pretty Anti-American and extreme. Who is this you're speaking of? The Quote references Perry, is that Texas Governor Perry?Vraith wrote:Alright. This guy has lots of buzz, lots of potential support if he decides to run [he's the only one even close to Romney in most places...and leads or is within margin of error if Bachmann and Palin aren't on the list] and then there is this:
Lots of people even here were flabbergasted by Obama's "religious ties" and how "anti-American" they were.The event was Perry's idea but was financed by the American Family Association, a Tupelo, Miss.-based group that opposes abortion and gay rights and believes that the First Amendment freedom of religion applies only to Christians.
How do you feel about this guy?
I Never Fail To Be Astounded By The Things We Do For Promises - Ronnie James Dio (All The Fools Sailed Away)
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
Remember, everytime you drag someone through the mud, you're down in the mud with them
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain
Where are we going...and... WHY are we in a handbasket?
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Yes...sorry...I could have been more clear.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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I would be willing to bet that if you could somehow go back to 1790 or so and ask the framers of the Constitution and the vast majority of the people of the time; that would be exactly thier interpretation of the First Ammendment.sindatur wrote:That's pretty Anti-American and extreme. Who is this you're speaking of? The Quote references Perry, is that Texas Governor Perry?Vraith wrote:Alright. This guy has lots of buzz, lots of potential support if he decides to run [he's the only one even close to Romney in most places...and leads or is within margin of error if Bachmann and Palin aren't on the list] and then there is this:
Lots of people even here were flabbergasted by Obama's "religious ties" and how "anti-American" they were.The event was Perry's idea but was financed by the American Family Association, a Tupelo, Miss.-based group that opposes abortion and gay rights and believes that the First Amendment freedom of religion applies only to Christians.
How do you feel about this guy?
Now certainly over the intervening 200+ years, that interpretation has expanded to cover nearly all religions, but lets not act like the "Framers" thought exactly the way we do now.
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thousand expert opinions.”
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thousand expert opinions.”
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I'd say it's extremely likely that you are correct. But sometimes an idea is greater than the creator intended [and sometime smaller, too]...which is one of the most important failures of strict "originalist" and similar interpretations. If only one group has a right [Christians, for instance]...then it is the exact opposite of a right.Rawedge Rim wrote:I would be willing to bet that if you could somehow go back to 1790 or so and ask the framers of the Constitution and the vast majority of the people of the time; that would be exactly thier interpretation of the First Ammendment.sindatur wrote:That's pretty Anti-American and extreme. Who is this you're speaking of? The Quote references Perry, is that Texas Governor Perry?Vraith wrote:Alright. This guy has lots of buzz, lots of potential support if he decides to run [he's the only one even close to Romney in most places...and leads or is within margin of error if Bachmann and Palin aren't on the list] and then there is this:
Lots of people even here were flabbergasted by Obama's "religious ties" and how "anti-American" they were.
How do you feel about this guy?
Now certainly over the intervening 200+ years, that interpretation has expanded to cover nearly all religions, but lets not act like the "Framers" thought exactly the way we do now.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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Disagree with the last part. Rights are always attached to membership in a group. So it'd still be a 'right', just not a 'human right'. Everything else is fine thoughVraith wrote:I'd say it's extremely likely that you are correct. But sometimes an idea is greater than the creator intended [and sometime smaller, too]...which is one of the most important failures of strict "originalist" and similar interpretations. If only one group has a right [Christians, for instance]...then it is the exact opposite of a right.Rawedge Rim wrote:I would be willing to bet that if you could somehow go back to 1790 or so and ask the framers of the Constitution and the vast majority of the people of the time; that would be exactly thier interpretation of the First Ammendment.sindatur wrote: That's pretty Anti-American and extreme. Who is this you're speaking of? The Quote references Perry, is that Texas Governor Perry?
Now certainly over the intervening 200+ years, that interpretation has expanded to cover nearly all religions, but lets not act like the "Framers" thought exactly the way we do now.
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Jeezus, did anyone see these idiots debate last night?
Might as well get used to four more years.
Might as well get used to four more years.
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I tried to watch it, I swear, I really really tried...Cail wrote:Jeezus, did anyone see these idiots debate last night?
Might as well get used to four more years.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
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None of them are. Bachman and Romney are probably the only ones with a somewhat credible shot. But even still, there are too many Republicans and right-of-center independents who would never vote for either of them.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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I don't think so...but on bad days I worry he might be.Exnihilo2 wrote:Is Perry electable?
I suspect that both Bachmann and Perry are the kind of candidate that, if nominated, will bring out a lot of people to vote for Obama no matter how angry/disappointed with him just to make sure neither of those two wins.
But it's just a suspicion, not ready to predict yet.
[spoiler]Sig-man, Libtard, Stupid piece of shit. change your text color to brown. Mr. Reliable, bullshit-slinging liarFucker-user.[/spoiler]
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.
the difference between evidence and sources: whether they come from the horse's mouth or a horse's ass.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
the hyperbole is a beauty...for we are then allowed to say a little more than the truth...and language is more efficient when it goes beyond reality than when it stops short of it.